Zakir Naik on Sufism:
mac to Rabia says: May 22, 2017 at 5:35 pm (Edit)
I have watched his videos telling people sufism is not Islam, not today but way back in 2014 and he is right about it, i love him for blatantly speaking out the truth. Sufism is not Islam, there is no mention of it in Quran, it`s an invention of people who don`t like 5 pillars and other strict rules of Islam.
While those `so called` sufi saints were real Muslims and i have deep respect for them,more than that I have for Zakir Nayak. The Sufi saints(so called) lived their life following true Islam, they never called them sufis, they identified them as muslims and preached islam, which btw is known as Islamism.
Let me make it very clear without any ambiguity, I condemn sufism as well(but i am not forcing you to condemn as well), it`s a total rubbish, Sufism is menmade non-sense it doesn`t make sense to me, people who drink, don`t read namaz, don`t practice etiquette of Islam , don`t obey advises of Prophet , take dowries, take brirbes and what not, but they visit dargahs and bow down in front of tombs of those saints, did those saints ever told people to visit their tomb of bow in front of their dead decayed body? If they have any wish, instead of asking allah and doing hard work, they visit dargah and spread chaddar over tomb of those dead bodies? For why? Who told them to do so, and who told them islam requires that?
Islam is direct connection between God and Human, God sent guides in various times of civilization,even prophet never said to visit his dargah and ask forgiveness from Him, he always pointed towards God. These Sufism has destroyed the essense of Islam in Sub continental muslims, that is why mass muslims in sub continent do not bother about learning islam, for them islam means dargah. I have no problem if people seek inspiration from lives of so called sufi saints( actually Islamic preachers, that`s what they were), so am I to object and who am I in front of those great muslims….nothing…But I would say it is best for us to seek inspiration from Quran and Hadith directly because those people also got their inspiration from these sources…they became totally greedy less because they understood the true essence of Islam.
Sufism ec are fancy words used by non-muslims to hide how islam was actually spread, because calling those people as simply pirs or fakirs or islamic preachers will disprove the myth they spread about islam being spread by force. Like Moulana Jalal Uddin Muhammad Balkhi`s quotes are shared probably million times every day in social medias and people seek inspiration from him, both Muslims and Non-Muslims, mostly non-muslims, but they share it as quotes of Rumi, and no one knows who Rumi was, they just pass his quotes, without knowing who he was, from where he got his inspiration…But Moulana word is used before Anti Indian terrorist like Azhar masud, or fake skull cap wearing guy talking non-sesne in TV, the world islam will be used in sentences containing words like Laden(who wasn`t a scholar or anything, infact he was western educated) or Al Quida and in this way a negative perception about islam and muslims have been created. I bet people will stop share same quote if in the end of quote the name Rumi gets replaced by Moulana JalalUddin…because so much negativity have been spread…what if today`s Indian youth who are bigoted and passionately hate islam for all the wrong reasons read quotes of Moulana jalal uddin instead of Rumi, their perception about Islam would have been completely different. To them islam means what Bhagdadi`s translated speech that they get to hear every time their parents switch to any news channel -mac
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SUFISM. IT USED TO BE JUST MUSLIMS WHO LOVE PROPHET. BUT NOW PEOPLE GAVE THIS A NAME AND CALL IT SUFISM.
Also no one is a Muslim who will bow down and Sufism doesn’t accept that.
Drinking is not allowed there are so many fake Muslims and so called fake “Sufi” around.
First of All follow Islam properly. Only then you can advance yourself out of your choice if you seek more knowledge. WHAT you call “Sufism” is for any Muslim from any Sect. All Shia and Sunni can do it out of choice. What is Sufism? Love for Allah and Love for our beloved prophet sallalahu walayhissalaam. Dhikr, Salawaats, reading Quran and may be a little bit more. Thats all. How is this bad?
Sorry you wrote a lot of lies about “Sufism”.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SUFISM. IT USED TO BE JUST MUSLIMS WHO LOVE PROPHET. BUT NOW PEOPLE GAVE THIS A NAME AND CALL IT SUFISM.
First of all what you’re talking about is not accepted in Sufims and all that bowing down. SUFISM IS NOT A SECT. They are real Muslims, its just a way to connect to Allah and our Beloved prophet sallalahu alayhissalaam. Someone who Drinks is completely wrong. BOWIMG DOWN IS EVEN WORSE. ANY muslim from ANY Sect can follow Sufimsm. SHIA, SUNNI Hanafi, Sunni Maliki. It doesn’t matter. And before getting into Sufimsm and spirituality we ofcourse HAVE TO FOLLOW 5 pillars of Islam. Being a Muslim comes first, completing our Islamic tasks comes first. Then Sufism is a choice also
Hi guys…how are you all??
any way I come to topic..admin is playing with you guys In the name of religion that too for Islam…
“arey Bhai sach toh hamesha kadwi hee lakti hey”
so always his mission only to spoil Islam and create a hatrated in the peoples heart as same as media doing..
and mac bro how are you buddy? now only you knowed his(admin) name is dilip amin but I already told that on those previous years in 2012 I think so..
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Okay admin…
Mac, I think i misunderstood your comment – sorry about that, the way I read it, it sounded like you were saying you respect zakir naik more than the real Sufi saints..
Brother Mac,
You said “While those `so called` sufi saints were real Muslims and i have deep respect for them,more than that I have for Zakir Nayak. The Sufi saints(so called) lived their life following true Islam, they never called them sufis, they identified them as muslims and preached islam, which btw is known as Islamism.”
So you have more respect for Dr Zakir Naik than you do for Nizamuddin auliya?
You are free to do so, nobody is questioning your decision here. But you still haven’t answered my question about how my non-Muslim friend who regularly visits and prays at this dargah says – and I quote – “it has worked miracles for her”.
Please kindly explain. Is it just the power of her prayers that worked (she is not Muslim, she is Jain) or maybe did praying at the dargah have something to do with that?
Rabia asked me this question “So you have more respect for Dr Zakir Naik than you do for Nizamuddin auliya?”
But I don`t know why, when I have clearly said i have more respect for them than that I have for Zakir Nayak, does this sentence mean i have more respect for Zakir nayak than sufi saints? I thought it meant the opposite.
Miracles are notion, something which is miracle for someone might be normal phenomenon for someone else, no non-muslims convert to islam by visiting dargah, they learn nothing about islam visiting dargah, while Dr. Zakir Nayak is out there with message of Islam reaching out to non-muslims across globe and made countless people accept islam by convincing them who in turn are converting more people to islam while rakshaks of dargahs are sitting there and doing nothing for community or for faith.
btw you can search about Islamic teaching which says even if you pray to wrong god, allah will answer your call as their is only one god, miracles are not seen in dargah only, but in temples as well.
Mac, can you kindly provide a reference for this thing you wrote:
“btw you can search about Islamic teaching which says even if you pray to wrong god, allah will answer your call as their is only one god, miracles are not seen in dargah only, but in temples as well”
“Say (O Muhammad SAW): Who rescues you from the darkness of the land and the sea (dangers like storms), when you call upon Him in humility and in secret (saying): If He (Allah) only saves us from this (danger), we shall truly be grateful.
Say (O Muhammad SAW): Allah rescues you from it and from all (other) distresses, and yet you worship others besides Allah”
[Al-Anaam 6: 63-64]
“There is no living creature on earth that does not receive sustenance from God. He knows its dwelling and resting place.” [Hood 11:6].
The fact is non-Muslims donot convert to Islam after visiting Dargah, they don`t learn Quran, they don`t learn about teachings of Prophet. Next day they visit their temples.
Mac,
I agree that there are a lot of self-styled clerics at these dargahs who don’t really know much. My friend who took me there the first time (this Jain friend) actually warned me about the same thing, saying they will try to approach tounand gegr a donation for themselves etc. I believe in the power of my prayers but don’t see the problem with visiting any dargahs, I have also prayed at churches in places I visited as a tourist and have seen the results of my prayers.
Ultimately all our prayers go to Allah and He answers them if and when He wills.
Rabia,
You are just like us or close. This is what we said in our book…
“Just like anyone else, the author is a man with a wandering mind and he needs a focus point to pray to God. When the author visits any Hindu temple, he expects to take “darshan” (vision of the divine) of multiple idols (deities) and will bow to every one of them. If this is not enough “idolatry” for the author, he also visits Jain and Buddhist temples and bows to many more “idols.” Further, the author has bowed to Jesus and Mary’s “idols” and has eaten Jesus’ body (bread)! The author has also prayed in a mosque and in the direction of the Islamic “idol,” the Kaaba (Black Cube). The author was disappointed by not finding a focus point in synagogues. However, the author later learned that Jewish people use a candle or Star of David (idol) to pray at the Sabbath time.”
So Admin your name is Dilim Amin, confirmed that you are a male btw.
To Rabia, our prayer goes to Allah since there is only one Almighty creator. But Allah has forbidden us not to pray to other deities, is this true or not?
Dear Mac, yes of course Allah has prevented us from praying to dieties. I think I made myself very clear on my stance when I said I don’t believe in idol worship and I think dear Admin’s views, where he said “it’s just about hoisin god the middle man” and what he wrote above “The author has also prayed in a mosque and in the direction of the Islamic “idol,” the Kaaba (Black Cube).” Is a bit misleading and too simplistic – Kaaba to us is not an idol but he place we turn to pray in order to attain unity – admin probably knows this (or maybe doesn’t) but Muslims were initially instructed to pray towards Jerusalem if I remember right. Then the commandment was changed…
I do believe, however, that many Hindus do not see the fault in idol worship, even I was once told off by this same Jain friend that “what’s wrongly if your children pray in temple – I do idol worship too!” And it’s very very hard for a non Muslim to understand that sensitivity we Muslim-borns have. Personally, I hope that my Allah will forgive all and judge all depending on their deeds. I truly believe this…. Allah has a lot of names but Holy Quran keeps saying how Allah is Ar-rahman ar-Rahim….
Not everyone was fortunate enough to be born into circumstances that understand unity of God.
What I find most ironic is that many of the Hindu deities sold and worshiped in India are apparently made by Muslim artisans. My Jain friend told me this recently… is it true?
sorry for that typing mistake, I meant “in idol worship and I think dear Admin’s views, where he said “it’s just about Choosing the middle man” (he was comparing all religions) is a bit too simplistic.