Seema says: December 21, 2013 at 2:32 am
Hi, i am 26 years old & i have Muslim boyfriend Azam. we are of same age. my parents started looking for guys for me. they finalized one person (working & having a good salary, perfect family, he is of a different sub-caste of our caste) & they were very eager to take matters forward. I told about my boyfriend at home & hell broke lose. My parents didn’t talk to me, they were not ready to listen to anything. Instead a flood of family friends & relatives surrounded me to brainwash me against Muslims.
I know his family. they have a modern outlook. he asked me not to convert. he is ready for special marriage act marriage. his father is ailing from a serious disease & Azam is taking care of him full time since his siblings are tied to their full time study courses & hence he is not currently working. But, within 2 months his father will be operated & then his siblings can take their father for follow up check-up which do not take complete day & Azam will be taking up a job in Europe. Everything has been finalized there. he just has to go & join.
He is asking me to marry here by special marriage act & then both of us to fly to Europe immediately. we both know there will be parents who will not accept but he says no parent can disown a child for long. it might take 3 years or even 5 years but things will get better.
Right now there is a havoc at my place. My father who has a short temper abused my mother so hard. He never did that before, I was so shocked. My parents called my friend so that she could make me understand. They have even brainwashed her & she is scaring me that if I run away or marry him after telling them, they will do something like a suicide or something. She said she was helpless as during a conversation my father just speaks his side & doesn’t listen to the other side. This is true.
Now, thoughts of suicide have started cropping up in my mind. I, all the time, surf the internet, the ways to die. Last time, I was in kitchen cutting the veggies, I wished to slash my belly but I got distracted.
Its not a madly-in-love story but I really connect to Azam. I have been brought up in an orthodox family where my father slapped us till we were 11 or 12. Being critically scolded if I entered home after dark or if I talked to guys.
Azam is a person who is happy & spreads cheer in every situation.
P.S.- My parents married against their parent’s wishes & they say they are still tolerating its effects & they wish to marry me to that guy to wash off the bad name they got when they married. But, on every family gathering everyone praises my mother to be the best daughter in law a family. -Seema.
Seema added: December 24, 2013 at 4:03 am
I forgot to mention!! Admin pls give your views & help me on this. I am not okay. I feel the immense pressure all the time. i am not able to concentrate any where. shall i tell that guy, whom my parents have chosen, that i am not interested.
-Seema.
Admin says:
Dear Seema,
There are several ways to look at your issues. The suicide is the worst option. Suicide is a temporary insanity, so just cool down. We advise you not to do anything for next 6 month, nothing.
May be one thing if family bothers you a lot, yes, we agree to your thought, “shall i tell that guy, whom my parents have chosen, that i am not interested.” Tell him that you will need 6 months of time to think through and not ready now.
Now on religious issue: The Muslim family has modern outlook and he is willing to marry you by Special Marriage Act are positive points on the Muslim family and should be appreciated. However, before we accept that they have modern outlook, let us know three points:
1) The most important point we always ask if he is willing to raise children in two faiths (we assume you are a Hindu). If he tells you that children MUST have Arabic names, have circumcision and be raised only in Muslim faith, you should know that he is nothing different than Mr. Haque.
2) Go talk to his sisters and cousin sisters and if they ever be allowed to marry a Hindu? If no, why not? If Muslim boys are allowed to marry Hindu girls, why Muslim girls are not allowed to marry a Hindu?
3) Ask Azam to join you to a Hindu temple for blessings from God. See if he is comfortable entering the temple. SRK does it, why not Azam? Likewise, you go to his Mosque to reciprocate it. Let us know what you learned.
Now lets focus on some non-religious issues.
After your marriage, are you planning to live in Azam’s home? Please go to his neighborhood alone at 9 o’clock in night and spend there one hour. Are you feeling safe and comfortable? This is where you may end up spending your whole life, day and night, and you must love the neighborhood.
His father is ailing and it is good that he is helping the family. However, it is possible that the disease may continue for next 10 years. Are you willing to take care of his ailing father like Azam is doing today for very extended period?
Money is not every thing, but still you need money at every step of life. His dad may have very high medical bills and his siblings have high college costs; where the money going to come from to pay all these? Are you willing to live your life in extreme poverty and constant harassments from debtors? We hope you are not counting your father to pay you a penny, he should not.
You said, “both of us to fly to Europe immediately”, don’t count on all these dreams. Life is not that simple. If it never materialize, are you okay spending your life in Azam’s neighborhood and with his debt?
Your father is a jerk. Instead of helping you make “informed” decision, he is getting mad and making issues worst. All parents should know that they don’t own their children; only the child has come through you in this world. Tell him that high temper is not going to solve any problem, but healthy discussion will.
Seema, instead of cursing others, think through all points we have raised. Be cool and calm. Start collecting facts to make “informed” decision.
Rome was not built in a day. Don’t take any step for next six months (no arranged or love marriage). Get back to us with other facts. A bright life is waiting for you. Best wishes. -Admin
Seema replied: December 24, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Dear admin,
Thank you so much for responding.
He will not marry his sister to a Hindu.
He said if I don’t opt for Nikah then at least I can do him the favour like naming children according to his family.
They’ll be raised in Muslim faith as a girl comes to a boy’s house so she should accept the pre-established culture. Children will be raised as Muslims otherwise being in both religions, they’ll be confused their whole life.
He told only his mother about us. None of the other members know, as his father might have a stroke upon knowing this.
He never went to a temple with me. He has been always uncomfortable about it. But he loves Islam so much that he used to talk endlessly about the Mughal rulers, Zakir Naik etc. I used to get really bored.
His neighbourhood is safe and healthy but he plans to settle in gulf countries as it will be difficult to survive here after eloping. Also, his career is in mechanical and marine engineering so working in other countries is the best option.
He’s doing everything for his father single handedly since 2 years. His father became sick during our courtship. But after 6 months he plans to move on with his career and leave responsibility of his father on his siblings.
About money, he says he ultimately wants to live with me forever even if we have to start in a single room apartment with limited means. But he is ambitious and wishes to live a good facilitated life.
The case of debt won’t be there. The bank accounts are strong. Plus being a well connected family, all the relatives are helping financially too. Its not needed but still they are.
Also I told that (Hindu arranged) guy that I’m not interested then he got real angry and asked me to tell this to my family or else he’ll tell them. I just changed the track of conversation otherwise again there would have been restlessness at my place as my family has asked me to talk to him in limits. -Seema
Seema says: February 6, 2014 at 7:13 am
I don’t know how to express my gratitude for you ‘Admin’ & all others who got time to reply me. I will keep your advice in mind. I’ll try my best to embrace my future life with a smile (details).
Seema says: November 30, 2014 at 8:18 am
No one will come to know whether i am dead or alive once i stop writing here. They will assume i am happy with my life. People will continue to post their problems and all others will make a good web out of their respective opinions and judgements. This is the world we live in. Life has become a big gossip and point of conversation for any one. Who is right and who is wrong, i dont know. I just loved a person with all my heart. The smile that used to be on my face was 0% fake, it was with complete faith n no fear at all of anyone not even death. I miss that smile. If i would have gone with azam many would have died. His parents my parents all. but i chose to give them life by marrying someone i dont love. And now its only 2 people who have died… me n azam. Yes we are breathing talking eating but everything inside is gone. What wrong did we do… we just loved. We just chose to be the most happiest we could ever get. but now its just to bodies. When i see people living with their lover…. i feel so sad for me. -Seema
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Hi,
Long time no see.
My married life is terrible.
I don’t love my husband. He could have been the last person I would have dated or been friends with. I don’t like him at all. There are pressures though. Like, to be with him mentally while he is doing me physically. And to listen to him while he talks things that fly over my head, I don’t understand at all. I am not in contact with Azam after the marriage. I still have met so many people who have nature common to me. They would say they love me. But now I just don’t understand love.
This site made a debate of the inter religion phase of my problem.
Most opinions were to leave Azam.
Yes you guys told me that.
But, I could use some self confidence that time. I wouldn’t have got to marry at all.
All this portray of my problem has just been a time pass for many.
so no thanks
Admin you never support interfaith marriage
better change your website’s name to NOinterfaithshaadi
Dear admin,
Flush out ur soul with toilet flusher with a lot of Harpic toilet liquid.
U r biggest hypocrite to brainwash n make fool of people.
U know urself better than anyone else, who are u fooling around?
U hv Hindutva hatred in u. U prove u r grandson of world’s first terrorist Nathuram Godse who killed Gandhi n u people worship Godse n curse Gandhi.
Ask urself:
When was the last time u advised a Hindu girl to go with her lover Muslim boy?
When was the last time u DID NOT try all u can to send a Muslim girl to her non Muslim BF leaving aside all her family?
U shud suicide not Seema Sister.
People like u are deasease for humanity.
Hope u will ban me as u can’t digest truth n gutter of ur soul?
Dear Admin,
For u & ur Hindutva group women is commercial trade stuffs.
Have u seen any any any Hindutva groups to make hue and cry n try to prevent when Dalit women are paraded naked, raped in public, when women are exploited by millions of dhongi sex babas, when female are killed in the belly of mothers, when women are tortured for dowry?
Never but u will see killing for eating cow in someone’s kitchen.
If u can drink cow urine and sell cow dung online, what’s the problem if others eat cow meat?
Do we have problem when u drink cow urine n eat dung?
http://youtu.be/tkOsgXHUGs0
Sell cow dung cake online?
But for cow eating u go riot, murder, rape but silent when women are tortured n oppressed in the name of religion.
For rape = 7 years jail n hardly convicted
For cow = 10 years jail, plus riot n killing
Do u Hindus respect n protect more cows or women?
Dear Seema, these are many factors playing role in any married life (compatibility, short-tall, rich-poor, short tempered-good tempered, in-laws, caring-jerk, and so on), interfaith related issue is only one of them. This site discusses mainly interfaith related issues. We hope readers make collective decision for their life.
We are sorry your within-faith marriage is not working out (and we have not provided any consultation before on your current marriage; it was your choice). Grass is always green on the other side; meaning out of many paths, you see weeds/issues only on your path and think of rose-gardens on paths not selected. On your side, if your body married to a new guy, but your mind is still with Azad, there will surely be an issue in your new marriage. If your mind cannot take divorce from Azad and this new guy is not compatible with you, get out of this marriage. If Azad is still available, contact him. However, reminding again, be prepared for interfaith related issues (read a recent case, Sandhya).
It is your life and only you know totality of your situation. Again, we are sorry to learn that you are not happy in your married life but now think what you could do from this point onwards. Keep in touch!
Hi Seema! Sorry to hear that things aren’t working. But I want to tell u that u are better off marrying within faith. I am married to a Muslim guy and I am a Hindu girl. He was madly in love with me. My parents unwillingly married me to him. Things took a major turn. He changed dramatically post marriage. Just like the movie stories and books!!! He got violent he is abusive and controlling. His family interferes in our life. His mother is extremely controlling!! They force me to eat non veg, dress like them and be like them. My life is a night mare. I cannot go back to my parents as I married him against everyone’s will!! I regret my mistake.. Interfaith marriages are fake!! Believe me esp marrying a Muslim is challenging. Their culture is very different to ours!!
Reply at https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=11000
How are you now?
Hi Seema,
Glad to hear from you. How is your life rolling?
Hi
I still think of Azam all the time. My husband expects me to be close to him mentally and physically but now his patience is wearing out. I don’t feel good with him. I still have Azam on my mind. I cry all the time driving or at nights. anytime. I think of consuming sleeping pills now. this thought doesn’t go away. Am I going mad?
Seema, either you have eloped with azam or you must foget him, there is no middle, way, as you ddin`t elope with him, so must forget him, there is no way remembering him now, okay, you have to now spend your life with this man who you don`t feel comfortable both physically and mentally bad luck actaully, anyway, if you were a muslim girl then this webiste may have taken you to azam, in that case admin would have said you,
;;;think of that guy who you don`t feel comfortable and on the other hand azam loves you so much
;;;;admin would have said you marry him in court(civil marrgae) and go with him to europe,gulf countries to enjoy life just
;;;; admin would have compared your angry father with your laughing oyfriend
;;;; when you said your father abused your mother, admin would have said, look seema, this is your father, do you want your husband to behave you like this etc etc
;;;; admin would have said you have great life ahead with azam, instead lokk what he said and the reverse is happening with you, so you came to wrong site, read admin`s comment and joy when admin realised that you are not marrying your lovely,passonate muslim lover azam
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admin says:
February 6, 2014 at 7:52 am
Seema,
You are just too smart. Sooner or later you would have decided the same. Here, the choice was obvious for you. Now go enjoy your new life, don’t look back. Days of depression are over. Now enjoy new smily, bubbly, joyful and happy Seema. Keep us posted for developments in your life, good luck.
::: now you ask yourself in this situation whether you were too smart or not. you said your father may have accepted azam as he met muslim and his sterotyped was removed, do you know what, after hearing this, if your bf was hindu, then admin would have gave you many trips and tricks to met your bf with here family, this is what admin did with muslim girls.
::: admin said enjoy your life, are you now enjoying your life, ask yourself.
::: admin said days of depression are over, now ask yourslef aren`t you depressed, only a doctor knows when a person think to take sleeping pills, no, everyone knows that a depressed(if young) person takes sleeping pills.
Anyway, I am not telling you to look back, my this long comment was to expose admin`s biased attitude towards muslim gilrs , incase of hindu , admin tries all possible ways to stop that girl from marrying her gf and incase of muslim girls admin tries everything possible so that muslim girl can easily forget her parents
My advise to you that you forget about your past, focus on future and why not plan to become mother, that will help you and your husband to get closer mentally as you will then have common i.e your baby, there is no way crying in the night, stop crying and start to love your husband, and do listen good music so that you don`t concentrate on past, but don`t listen bollywood songs, bolywood songs will even worsen your situation, And i pary to allah swt that he helps you to get rid of this tough time. 🙂
::: admin wished you good luck, ask yourself whether it was god luck or bad luck.
no one will come to know whether i am dead or alive once i stop writing here. they will assume i am happy with my life. people will continue to post their problems. and all others will make a good web out of their respective opinions and judgements. this is the world we live in. life has become a big gossip and point of conversation for any one. who is right and who is wrong, i dont know. i just loved a person with all my heart. the smile that used to be on my face was 0% fake, it was with complete faith n no fear at all of anyone not even death. i miss that smile. if i would have gone with azam many would have died. his parents my parents all. but i chose to give them life by marrying someone i dont love. and now its only 2 people who have died. me n azam. yes we are breathing talking eating but everything inside is gone. what wrong did we do. we just loved. we just chose to be the most happiest we could ever get. but now its just to bodies. when i see people living with their lover…. i feel so sad for me
Seema,
First, thank you for keeping in touch. It is good to vent out your frustration/grief somewhere. We hope you could talk it out with one or two good friends.
You have raised a good question, “What wrong did we do… we just loved?”. It is too sad that this society has created silos under the name of “religion” to separate people, from one to the other. Millions have been killed in the name of God. This world would have been a better place to live for all if men did not created these religions.
Issues are part of this life. There is no one without problems in life, no one! All those smiling today had their own down time sometimes in the past or will come in the future. If you married to Azam, you will be facing a different set of issues today. Life is not a rose garden; even rose has thorns. Only those who learn to handle life situations will have more good times and less bad times.
Above are big talks, but we know your need small talks. For now, you have to find out how you will come out of your current state of condition. Find out a particular situation where you feel at little ease. For example, is walking in nature work for you? Think of ways to keep busy in life. Go do some charity work to feed hungry. Another good option is to find a job and keep busy 8-10 hours/day.
Seema, we are optimist for you and our best wishes are always with you.
Seema,
Sorry to hear of your current condition. Have courage and something good will come up but suicide is not a good option. Other than your love for someone else, is your husband treating you reasonably well? What are other issues in your current married life? Even you married to Azad, you would be facing a different set of problems today that you are not aware of. Life is not a rose garden, it is what you wish to make out of it. Keep all factors in mind and let us know what you wish to achieve now next?
Hi all,
Thank you for your feedback, Its so nice to have you all with me when all the ‘near and dear’ ones are not helping at all. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I told Azam 3 months back I won’t be meeting him. He is devastated. My family is carrying on with all the preparations to the arranged guy. Recently, I am in such a mess. Everyone is smiling & having fun around me as if nothing happened. I miss Azam terribly. I don’t eat, I don’t smile, I’ve become skinny and dull. All I see is darkness everywhere. I am not demanding anything from my family. I have just submitted myself to them for the arranged marriage. At times I try to forget everything & be part of all the shopping & ceremonies but its like the relationship with Azam is haunting me badly. I become depressed suddenly & nobody seems to notice or talk me out of it. I asked Azam to promise me not to contact me. He is doing that but I get info from common friends that he is miserable, not eating, not taking care. Just running from dawn to dusk for his father’s hospital procedures.
My father just came across a Muslim person, actually few more people. He was very much impressed by their mannerisms & politeness. If he had agreed to meet Azam, he’d surely be impressed similarly. But, he created a havoc when I told about him at home. Incidents like these pull me back from moving on without Azam. I have started hating ‘religion’. God is one but we created religions. So many of them. It is difficult to move on. Thoughts of suicide & running away always dwell in my mind. I keep on planning ways to run away or end my life. I am a very positive person, at least I used to be, but it seems like a force is tracking me to the negative side 20 hours a day. Azam asked me that he’ll always be there to welcome me back with open arms till his life ends.
Seema,
Sorry to hear of your life story. It is not a good idea to marry one but love someone else.
Is the arranged guy accepting to you? You once mentioned, “I’m not interested then he got real angry and asked me to tell this to my family or else he’ll tell them.” how is his behavior after that? When do you go alone for outing, do you have normal good communication or not? We hope after marriage, you are not going to keep relationship with Azam anymore, otherwise you will ruin two families. After marriage, Azam may try his best to break your marriage, he has nothing to loose.
Azam may love you, but his love for Islam is first. Azam is your fantasy but we must remind you of our concern about him for his statements like “He will not marry his sister to a Hindu (this is a double standard)….naming children according to his family….Children will be raised as Muslims otherwise being in both religions, they’ll be confused their whole life (this is a lie! why it should be that way?)…..his father might have a stroke upon knowing this (his family has not accepted you and will not accept unless you convert)…He never went to a temple with me (why not?). He has been always uncomfortable about it (is it because Hindus are sinners?). But he loves Islam so much that he used to talk endlessly about the Mughal rulers, Zakir Naik etc. (this is certainly troubling) I used to get really bored. (and will bore you for your whole married life)” Only after marrying Azam for a few years, you will realize what a mess you have got into marrying Azam. However, it is very difficult to explain it to you unless you experience yourself in your life.
Don’t have a guilty feeling for betraying your love with Azam because he did not disclosed all his Islam fundamentalist beliefs in your early love period. All Muslim boys has to learn to be truthful upfront.
The arranged guy is nice, polite and caring. He believes that we both have to be patient and flexible to understand each other.
He will not marry his sister to a Hindu, he says he’ll cut off all ties with her if something like this happens
Naming children can be according to both of us.
Children can be taught both religions, they can chose, when they grow up.
‘His family has not accepted you and will not accept unless you convert’– this is true.
He never went to a temple with me, he said we never got the chance, but he has been to temple many a times as his neighbors are Hindus & they are really close to his family.
I think of all the pros and cons & all that help me not to be depressed.
Seema,
You know your situation the best, however we try to guide you based on what you wrote. In your case, the choice is crystal clear (at least in minds of whom are not love-blinded).
On one side you have Azam who has no job, no stability, family liabilities, intolerant to his sisters, who is a religious fanatic, idolizes people like Zakir Naik and boring you by all Islamic talks. On top, his dad will never approve you for his son. On the other side, you have a guy who is nice, polite, caring, patience, flexible, try to understand each other and probably educated and financially stable. On top, he is from your own faith and your parents will be more than happy for you marrying him. So what is there to compare?
You have summarized it all in your statement that “pros and cons & all that help me not to be depressed.” Opportunity does not come twice. Just go, enjoy and celebrate your up coming golden life. Forget the bad dream!
A note: Never mention to your arrange guy about your Muslim boy friend. Even if the discussion comes up, simply say he was just a friend, that’s all. You had no interest in being a Muslim so there was no question of associating with him. Be careful.
I don’t understand how to express my gratitude for you ‘Admin’ & all others who got time to reply me. I will keep your advice in mind. I’ll try my best to embrace my future life with a smile.
Thanks a ton
Seema,
You are just too smart. Sooner or later you would have decided the same. Here, the choice was obvious for you. Now go enjoy your new life, don’t look back. Days of depression are over. Now enjoy new smily, bubbly, joyful and happy Seema. Keep us posted for developments in your life, good luck.
Dear readers,
For your information, I submitting following evil practice of Islamic religion against females:-
Recently a bill was passed in Iran allowing male guardians to marry their adopted girls aged 13 and below, if the court decided it was in the interest of the girl. If this bill is approved by the country’s Guardian Council, it will become law. The Guardian Council is a 12-member council in Iran which wields immense power. No legislation can be accepted without its approval. The old men of the Guardian Council with their white beards and wrinkled skins seem to be eager to start a second ‘youth’ in their old age by legalizing pedophilia and sexual abuse of minor girls and thus promoting the concept of incest. A very disgusting scenario indeed. Iran is fast going along the path of Saudi Arabia. Be it Shiias or Sunnis, neither can resist acting outright despicable because of their dependency on the distortions of Hadith.
An Iranian human rights’ activist stated that discreet incidents of incest exist in Iran as in all other parts of the world. But such a law would legalize it, making it official.
Seema still you find appropriate to marry in such a religion, it is not religion but a criminal mind set.
seema is a fool
dont belive muslims
Seema,
We have not heard from you in a while. We understand you are going through a lot. We wish you the best.
Seema,
Your BF must be associated with some terrorist organization(s) and attempting to trap you for physical relations in the name of marriage and later pass on the terrorist grouup.
Be careful.
Girls intending to marry liberal Muslims,
Girls often site the example that their BF is not a strict Muslim and is a liberal one and hence acceptable as a husband. But they don’t know that their could be two possibilities:
1. He is feigning as a liberal just to trap and once married, will show his true colors. So, these guys are more dangerous as they are the wolves in the coat of sheep.
2. He may be ignorant about Islam and once he knows the diktats of Islam, he will turn as any other hard core Muslim. The reason is he is a believer in Muhammad and sooner of later, will try to follow Muhammad who sanctioned all the tyrannical practices against women.
So, give a thought to the above points to safeguard your life and your children. It applies to both – Muslim and non-Muslim girls because Muhammad recommends enslaving all girls/women.
Only way to save yourself is marry some one who doesn’t like Muhammad and worships only God. Be be careful, if he is speaking truth or using this to trap you. The Muslim males are recommended to tell lies to trap girls. So, be very careful in dealing a Muslim guy. Try to avoid them as much as possible.
Seema, do you want to get FGM?
Female genital mutilation (FGM) comprises all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
The practice is mostly carried out by traditional circumcisers, who often play other central roles in communities, such as attending childbirths. However, more than 18% of all FGM is performed by health care providers, and this trend is increasing.
FGM is recognized internationally as a violation of the human rights of girls and women. It reflects deep-rooted inequality between the sexes, and constitutes an extreme form of discrimination against women. It is nearly always carried out on minors and is a violation of the rights of children. The practice also violates a person’s rights to health, security and physical integrity, the right to be free from torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, and the right to life when the procedure results in death.
Procedures
Female genital mutilation is classified into four major types.
Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris).
Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are “the lips” that surround the vagina).
Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, or outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris.
Other: all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g. pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area.
If you want to enjoy the damages of this evil practices, marry your terrorist BF.
Dear readers,
Seema like foolish girls get trapped by a self and flattering person like Azam. One side he does not bother to respect sentiments of Seema to visit Temple or marry her sister with a Hindu, if she ever desired, and he wants to raise kids as per Islamic religion.
The other side Seema says that he wants to marry her secretely. That is all nonsense and immature decision. His father is a chronic patient and he wants some one to take care of him. Possibly he wants seema to work like a maid and in the night as a sex doll.
Either seema is not a real name or some one under the fake name this blog has been created or seema is a foolish girl ready to jump into the burning fire, just by the words of Azam, a terrorist.
FGM or female genital Mutilation is the removal of sexually most sensitive part. It includes clitoris and other surrounding tissues. It’s extremely painful procedure and could cause trauma. Women have much reduced sexual sensitivity and also difficulty in getting orgasm.
BTW, even the educated muslim males consider Muhammad as their guide. So, it’s logical for you to know about Muhammad who married his own daughter-in-law, a girl of 6 years! And he did all these at the age of 54 years! He also celebrated his wedding night with a widow after killing her husband, parents and brothers. In kalma, Muslims affirm their faith in Muhammad as the most pious person ever born on the earth!
The Koran is a book of evil and an obscenity against everything God stands for.
Islam is a morally bankrupt and unethical ideology. Slavery, raping slave girls, owning slaves, murdering infidels, killing apostates of Islam, selling boys and women as trophies of war, looting and pillaging the property of murdered infidels, sharing the booty obtained from the sale of boys and women and the proceeds of looting with ALLAH – Himself, the subjugation and beating of women, martyrdom for those who kill and are killed for ALLAH, a depraved Paradise filled with virgins who re – generate as virgins after sex as the sex slaves of the killers of Islam – these are just some samples of utterly unethical and evil teachings in the Quran
1. Raping slave girls:
QURAN – 70:22-30: “Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor…” This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.
QURAN – 23:5,6: “…who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them…” Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.
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Following are some of the evil criminal acts in the Koran that are not sanctioned by God but are a sin or violation of the laws of God. These criminal acts are THE LAWS OF Allah (the ANTI GOD.)
Thanking every body with rational views and mental frame to analyse the above.
Seema sister,
Koran does not favor women in any respect, they are at the mercy of their husband and islamic rules. Women must bleed on the wedding night, to prove her virginity, whereas male need not to be virgin.Women are below standard against male, even if she is raped, she has to prove it by four eye witnesess, she has to undergo female genital mutliation, and even sex with dead wife is permitted in islam. Anal sex, sex with animal is also allowed to the males.
Women in the Koran
“They ask you about menstruation. Say: ‘It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you….’” Quran 2:222, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34
“Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.” Quran 2:223, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34
“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83
“A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.” Quran 4:11, “Women,” Dawood, p. 77
“Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses…” Quran 2:282, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 47
“Women shall with justice have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women.” Quran 2:228, Dawood, p. 35
“If you fear that you cannot treat [orphan girls] with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girl you may own.” Quran 4:3, “Women,” Dawood, p. 76
“If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those [of your wives] who have not yet menstruated.” Quran 65:4, “Divorce,” Dawood, p. 557 [Dawood notes: “On account of their young age. Child marriages were common.”]
“[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.” Quran 4:24, “Women,” Dawood, p. 81
“You shall not wed pagan women, unless they embrace the Faith. A believing slave-girl is better than an idolatress, although she may please you. Nor shall you wed idolaters, unless they embrace the Faith.” Quran 2:221, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34.
“Enjoin believing women to turn their eyes away from temptation and to preserve their chastity; not to display their adornments (except such as are normally revealed); to draw their veils over their bosoms and not to display their finery except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their step-sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women-servants, and their slave-girls; male attendants lacking in natural vigour, and children who have no carnal knowledge of women. And let them not stamp their feet when walking so as to reveal their hidden trinkets.” Quran 24:31, “Light,” Dawood, p. 352
“Wives of the Prophet, you are not like other women. If you fear God, do not be too complaisant in your speech, lest the lecherous-hearted should lust after you. Show discretion in what you say. Stay in your homes and do not display your finery as women used to in the days of ignorance.” Quran 33:32-3, Dawood, p. 421 [The “days of ignorance” refer to pre-Islamic times.]
Summary of Koranic quotes regarding women
Menstruating women are unclean, and men must stay away from them. Women are men’s “fields,” and men can have sex with them whenever they want. Men are superior to women and have authority over them, while women must obey men or risk being beaten. A woman is worth one-half of a man, and men are above women. Muslim men may marry up to four wives, including prepubescent girls, and can own sex slaves. Muslims are not allowed to marry non-Muslims, unless the latter convert to Islam. Women must cover themselves and be seen only by relatives, eunuchs, slaves and children who have not yet had sex with women.
The Koran also contains more equitable commentary on women, although these verses are widely ignored, even or especially in Islamic/sharia law and particularly by “radical” or devout Muslims such as the Taliban, Wahhabis, Salafis and Iranian Shiites. Even in these “equitable” verses the attitude is retained that women are inferior to and possessions of men, to be treated accordingly. Whether or not a master is exhorted to be kind, fair and just to his slaves, the fact of their slavery remains.
Good day.
Hello Seema,
Please go through following texts of Koran,which discriminate females in all respects.How can a supreme authority biased against the females, who have also been created by him only.
God regards women as inferior to men
37:149-155 Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? Is it not that they say, from their own invention, “God has begotten children”? but they are liars! Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How judge ye? Will ye not then receive admonition?
Stay away from menstruating women
2:222 They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Women are sexual objects
2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;
Women have less rights, lower legal status than men
2:228 And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.
2:282 get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.
4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females
4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. … if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.
Men can marry up to four women if they treat them equally; unlimited forcible concubines permitted
In Islam, not only are men allowed to practice polygamy, but they may also capture women in war and use them as sex slaves. This is considered morally legitimate according to the Quran. In other words, non-Muslim women have no right to be free from the horror of slavery and serial rape by Muslim military men.
4:3 Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess
4:25 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess
23:1,5-6 The believers …. abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
70:29-30,35 And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, … Such will be the honoured ones in the Gardens (of Bliss).
Muhammad can go beyond the four-wife restriction, can treat his own wives and sex slaves unequally
33:50-52 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction – that of all of them – with that which thou hast to give them: and God knows (all) that is in your hearts: and God is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.
Nobody can marry Muhammad’s widows after he is dead
33:53 And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should… marry his [Muhammad’s] widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God’s sight an enormity.
Muhammad’s wives should stay in their houses
33:32-33 O Consorts of the Prophet! … stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance;
Muhammad decides to marry his adopted son’s wife, despite objections
The prophet Muhammad forced his adopted son, Zaid, to divorce his wife so that Muhammad could marry her. This was scandalous for the community, but Muhammad claimed he did this because God told him to, and he told the Muslims they had no right to question his decisions. Most people thought the real reason was because Muhammad lusted after a married woman and used his authority over the community to do whatever he desired, which seems like a more likely explanation.
33:36-39 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: “Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God.” But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee [Muhammad]: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God’s command must be fulfilled. There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what God has indicated to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of God amongst those of old that have passed away. And the command of God is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who preach the Messages of God, and fear Him, and fear none but God. And enough is God to call (men) to account.
Muhammad can divorce his wives whenever he wants and get new ones who are more submissive
66:1-5 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and God is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and God made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, “Who told thee this? “He said, “He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).” If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly God is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels – will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all), that God will give him in exchange consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to God in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.
“Lewd” women should be punished with life imprisonment
4:15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way.
It is unclear what “lewdness” actually means. This verse is so open-ended, almost any woman could potentially be accused of lewdness and sentenced to a life of house arrest, except ultraconservative women who never do anything to offend strict Muslim men.
Husbands should beat disobedient wives
4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all).
Note: parenthetical insertions make this verse sound less harsh than it really is in more literal translations. For example, the original Arabic text does not say to beat wives “lightly” — just to beat them.
Stealing should be punished by amputation of hands
5:41 As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from God, for their crime: and God is Exalted in power.
When a person has no hands, they probably cannot earn a living anymore, so they will end up as a beggar on the street. That doesn’t seem very beneficial to society. Also, before medical sanitation and anesthesia, amputation of the hands was in many cases the equivalent of a death sentence.
Adultery and fornication must be punished by flogging with a hundred stripes
24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
This verse leaves no other option for Muslims who believe in the divine origin of the Quran. It specifically says they must not have mercy on people who have committed adultery or fornication, and that this brutal punishment of 100 lashes is “prescribed by God.” However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished if the woman is considered a concubine.
People who have committed adultery or fornication lose the right to marry chaste Muslims
24:3 Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
Anyone who falsely accuses a chaste woman should be flogged with eighty stripes
24:4-5 And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Women should wear veils outside the home
24:30-31 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.
Coverings should be worn by women in open society to prevent molestation (except the elderly)
33:59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
24:60 Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage,- there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments, provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty: but it is best for them to be modest: and God is One Who sees and knows all things.
It is unclear what exactly these “outer garments” are or how completely they are supposed to cover the woman’s body, but restrictive garments such as the Afghan burqa would certainly be in accordance with the Quran, and probably originated because of these Quranic verses.
Muslims believe that all these verses of the Koran come from God — including the many disturbing verses about holy war (jihad), animosity and violence against non-Muslims, brutal punishments, inequality of women, and permission for polygamy and sex slaves — that Muhammad was inspired by God and that the Koran is infallible divine revelation and refuse to recognize the barbarous nature of the Islamic religion.
Following are some of the evil criminal acts in the Koran that are not sanctioned by God but are a sin or violation of the laws of God. These criminal acts are THE LAWS OF Allah (the ANTI GOD.)
Hi Seema,
For your information I am submitting following text to know the relaity of islam.
Muslims would have us believe that Islam was spread peacefully by Muslims traveling from country to country, city to city, door to door preaching the teachings of Peace and Love and Goodness from Allah and His Messenger.
This is not what happened.
Obeying the teachings of Islam – Muslims fell upon the infidel civilizations and peoples with unimaginable savagery and rivers of blood flowed across the pages of human history.
Islam is coated in blood of the innocents. In the past 1400 years, Islam has murdered 270,000,000 nonbelievers.
80 million Hindus killed.
60 million Christians were slaughtered
10 million Buddhists died.
120 million Africans butchered
As stated countless times already – ALL Muslims MUST believe the Koran is the divine word of God – the Laws of God. All Muslims MUST believe that God authored the Koran and a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just “fundamentalists,” the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places forever; its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim’s duty is to believe it and obey its divine commands without question.
Muslim can be murdered (beheaded) for doing any of the following:
Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about ‘Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat’; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or ‘anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it’; (4) holding that ‘any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent’; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended ‘the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.’
To any rational, normal person reading the teachings of the Koran (and these are just a small sample of the 1000’s and 1000’s of the teachings of hate, terror, cruelty, depravity etc that is Islam) the claim by Muslims that they are reading the words, teachings, laws of God – that the Koran is authored by God and a copy of the Koran rests in Heaven is insanity.
There is no Islamic fundamentalism, Islamo – fascism, political Islam, Islamic terrorists, Islamic militants, jihadists, Wahhabism, radical Islam etc who have hijacked the religion. There has been no hijacking. These demented souls are following EXACTLY the teachings of the Koran – they are following in the footsteps of their founder – the man of evil – Muhammad. In the end – IT’S ALL ABOUT ISLAM STUPID INFIDEL.
ISLAM IS AN EVIL TOTALITARIAN IDEOLOGY NOT A RELIGION
Islam is a declaration of war against infidels. Islam is an ideology of WAR. The Koran is a BOOK OF WAR. Allah is a GOD OF WAR. This war is permanent until all the infidels have converted, or paid a submission tax or have been murdered. These are the ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH AS SET DOWN IN THE KORAN
Infidels can be murdered by Muslims as an ETERNAL LAW OF ALLAH. Not only can they all be murdered but the wives and daughters of the murdered infidels can be taken as booty, raped, and then sold as slaves. Their sons can be sold into slavery. If there is any doubt as to the boy’s age of puberty – Muslims can pull down their pants and inspect their genital area for hairs. Even the slightest sign of hair growth means that these young men can be taken and beheaded. As an ETERNAL LAW OF ALLAH, Muslims can then loot and pillage the property of the murdered infidels, and must share the booty obtained from the sale of boys and women and the proceeds of looting with ALLAH. Muslims can own slaves as an ETERNAL LAW OF ALLAH. Slavery has been a central part of Islam since it’s creation by Muhammad. ALL THIS EVIL ARE THE ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH AS SET DOWN IN THE KORAN. THESE LAWS OF ALLAH ARE FOREVER. Not only that but righteous Muslims who slay and are slain murdering infidels can ascend as martyrs to the evil, sexually degenerate, depraved Islamic Paradise of eternal erections and virgins who re – generate as virgins after each sex act. THIS IS THEIR ETERNAL REWARD FOR OBEYING THESE EVIL LAWS OF ALLAH.
Again, the above ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH allow murder, slavery, looting and pillaging and if you are killed in the process of obeying these Laws then you can ascend to a paradise of full breasted, lustrous eyed virgins to sexually molest for all eternity. ALLAH permits the raping of female slaves. As already shown in Islam – rape is not just a sexual weapon – it is a weapon of war. Having murdered the woman’s man, Muslims can now – sanctioned by ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH complete their final humiliation and domination of her body.
Unlimited sex and money were powerful motivations for Muslims to grab their swords, climb on their horses and ride off into the sunset to bring war, death and destruction to the infidels.
India paid an horrific price. The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilization that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.
Buddhism was devastated.
Persia’s civilization disappeared from history.
The holocaust of slavery was imposed on large parts of black Africa. Slavery has been an integral part of Islam since its creation by Muhammad. Islam institutionalized slavery and made its existence legal and an ETERNAL LAW of ALLAH (read articles relating to slavery further in this Website). Islam was a major player in the black African slave trade – an historical fact not well known today. Also not taught is the fact that 1.5 million Europeans were taken as slaves by Muslims.
The fact that throughout Islam’s history, this slaughter of the innocents in the worst ways imaginable, murdered in the name of and to the greater glory of God is an obscenity. The so called men of ALLAH responsible for this carnage who have – through the millenniums – for Power, Domination, and Control of society unleashed this evil deserve to be in Hell.
To take man’s natural Concept of God, a conception of Peace and Love and Goodness – an all Wise, all merciful, all Loving God for all mankind, and turn God – by bastardizing his teachings into a murderous ALLAH (the ANTI GOD) of hate, terror, intolerance, death and destruction is one of the greatest sins that can be committed against God. Islam will remain forever a black historical stain smearing all human history.
Hello Seema,
Seen comments on this blog by different writers. I am a muslim girl and married to a Hindu boy. Whatever I am today, as a working woman, is due to my Hindu husband. I faced various problems in my life including my mother. Had I been married in my own religion, I would not have been on this earth. You can read my life story.
There is no respect in Islam for woman, they are just sex targets, no say, no freedom. Before marriage all sorts of commitments and assurances are given, but in real life just opposite, only dark days for women. Insecurity always prevails, no body knows when wife is kicked out. Even Quran does not considier female at par with male, female has to keep her husband happy for sexual purpose, just work as a maid. In fact in Islam, if any non muslim girl is trapped for sex or marriage, that is not haram for spreading islamic population. Now a days, in every madarasas, it is taught to kill non muslims, kafirs, trap their daughters to increase population, make them suicide bombers,
The so called prophet Mohammad who married many girls even a 9 years old at age of 54 years just for sex, is treated messenger of Allah.
Mohammad raped, killed kiddnapped, tortured millions of people, can a God nominate him his messenger? Is he so cruel?
Once you get married,your clitris will be removed, as FMG practice,you have to eat Beef, you have to be in the burqa, no meeting or association with your hindu relatives, ?
If you are divorced and if you want to marry again with your husband, you have to follow halala practice, means you have to have sex with other males, they will divorce you and then your husband will marry you etc .
IN FACT IF TRUELY SAID, ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION BUT A CRIMINAL MIND SET. THIS IS REPEATEDLY SAID BY VARIOUS WRITERS ON THIS BLOG.
I feel only my Hindu friends are responding. And, I’m getting one-sided views. Can anyone from Muslim community too put light on this issue.
Seema,
This is a great point. Why don’t you go to 5 different Mosques in your area. Go talk to their imams and attendees about reality of life after you marry to your lover. They will guide you for what is right thing to do.
Dear Mr. Haque and other Muslim brothers and sisters, can you please guide Seema for what should she do?
Dear Admin,
Do you always discourage interfaith marriages & when do you find it appropriate for a Hindu girl to marry a Muslim boy? I mean what are those conditions?
Dear Seema and all other readers,
To this question… Is Interfaith Shaadi against interfaith marriages?… our simple answer is … we are not for or against interfaith marriages. However, we wish all youths make fully “informed” decision for your life, that all.
Seema, in your case, Azam wishes for a Muslim wife. Islam is a great religion and if you decide to convert to Islam, we do not have any objection. However, are you ready to be a true Muslim wife, like that Mr. Haque has described?
InterfaithShaadi is against Hindus considering a fake-Baptism, fake-Bar Mitzvah or fake-Shahadah (fake BBS). We do not think any Christian, Muslim or Jew lover (or religious leader) wishes Hindus to undergo a fake-conversion and fool everyone including God.
To your question, “when do you find it appropriate for a Hindu girl to marry a Muslim boy?”, our answer is … the Muslim should expect you to remain what you are, a Hindu (or Christian or Jain). Further, both should be prepared to raise children in TWO faiths, and nothing less. In very short, no BBS, simple! In other way to say, marry if your Muslim lover is like SRK, Seema, Salman and Shamim.
Do not make lies and deception (fake-BBS) a foundation of your married life. Be honest, even it may be hard.
If you don’t have any intention of a true religious conversion (Shahadah), simply say no conversion (including for children) and stick with it. It is possible that your intended spouse may not have realized pain of a forced-BBS and may reconsider your request. Alternatively, if the intended spouse is a love-proselytizer, why you wish to marry him or her anyways?
Dating time love is short lasting. It will not last more than a few months into your married life. If you are not clear what we mean, go ask any married couple or to your parents. Instead of that, a true competability (including religious) will drive your relationship for years to come.
Within faith marriages have it’s own issues. For any inter- or within-faith marriage, it is important to make fully rational decision without pressure from your lovers, in-laws, religious leaders or your parents.
Old days of getting married to please others are over. Today’s modern girls and boys will end up in a divorce if a marriage (or religion) is forced on them.
Go ask Azam’s parents that are they willing to accept you as a Hindu daughter-in-law who is willing to raise children in TWO faiths?
Please answer my question Admin.
My family has begun the ceremonies.
Azam is in terrible state. He never ever broke down ever in his life but now. Upon that he is running 24 hours for his father’s health procedures. I feel extremely guilty. I promised him that I shall run away. And now I’m unable to keep that promise.
My parents are suicidal. A relative (who herself ran away to marry a Hindu guy) is saying all this suicide is just a momentarily issue, there are so many things to keep them from committing suicide like a nice family, my other siblings, social bondages etc. Her parents when met her husband were impressed by him & are doing fine.
I meant I just CAN’T take the risk of my parents lives. But, the guilt is killing me.
Seema,
We are sorry to see you in this state. It is too sad that your parents and Azam are forcing you to do that you do not wish to. Being irrational, your parents are making things worst and in favor of Azam. We wish they were considerate.
First, running away with Azam is the worst of all options. He does not respect or can tolerate your birth religion. It is our major concern that Zakir Naik is his hero. He wants you to convert to Islam and raise Muslim only children are irrational expectation from any Hindu girl. Shame on Azam. His parents are not ready to accept you, a Hindu. Considering all these, there is nothing to feel guilty about Azam today. He deserves that.
Further, we agree that you do not have to marry that Hindu arranged guy if he is not an appropriate person for you. Do not do anything out of guilt because your parents are suicidal.
You never told us about how is that arranged guy? Is he educated? Has he good job? Is he financially independent? Is he a reasonable guy?
Can you tell your parents to stop all these ceremonies now because you do not like the guy, but will consider another appropriate guy in the future? This way you could buy 6 months time to think through?
Is there any one in your (extended) family who could understand your situation and help you out?
I have repeatedly said Azam respects Hinduism. Zakir Naik isn’t his hero but he likes him a lot. He doesn’t want me to convert to Islam and has agreed on raising children with both the religions, but he demands circumcision. He will agree not to go with circumcision, I know. His parents are not rigid like my family, they will accept me.
Actually, we both weren’t considering that our parents will be a part of our lives for a few years. We assumed they’ll be badly hurt & will not talk to us. It’ll be just both of us. Azam has been telling me, since the day we decided to get married (2 years back), that it will be not easy but the most difficult thing we’ll have to deal with in our entire lives. He foretold me all this 2 years back that is happening at my place now. I promised him I’ll fight them all. He didn’t lie or cheat at any point.
I would’ve already done the court marriage but I never thought about this suicidal phase of my parents. This is stopping me from committing any step.
That arranged guy is working in a good company. Earning pretty good. He is fine & mature. We met once & are in touch through phones. But, whatever good qualities he might have, he can’t match up to Azam.
My parents are not ready to listen to anything. In the extended family, no one is daring to go against my parents.
Seema,
You have to put all positive and negative points on a piece of paper for Azam verses your arranged guy. Give +2 for a strong positive and -2 for a strong negative point. For all promises (hopes but not facts), give 0. After that take it to your best girl friend and take her opinion. This will help you come to a rational decision.
We are sorry to see you have to go through all these pain. We wish you the best. Please keep in touch with us.
Seema
No body can save you from your ill fate. You will not understand.
You will understand when it will be too late to come back.
What attraction and pleasure that you see in him, that is totally false and misleading to exploit your career and multiply their population.
Seema,
Why is he interested in secretely marrying you. There is some thing definetly under carpet. Muslims cannot be trusted, they do not hestitate to marry even their own cousins, ditch them and bring another wife.
He is ready to move away to some other country, that is his tricks to trap you finally and throw you in problem.
Dont mix up with him, let him be angry. Get rid of him immediately,
otherwise you will spent whole life in miseries and sorrowful days.
No body will help you and ultimately you will commit sucide or become a suicide bomber.
We’ll have to marry secretly because both our families are opposing. His family is a bit soft & we both know they’ll accept us after they know we’ve married.
Hi Seema,
I dont understand why you girls get interested in muslims, who do not respect females, torture them. In the world, the most worst condition is of muslim women, who are deprived of their fundamental rights,natural justice. Islam is full of evils against females.
The so called BF feels uncomfortable in visiting temples, not ready to marry his own sister with a Hindu, even then you are not understanding him and believing on his flattering talks.
You will repent one day, thrown into a brothel.
Dear Seema,
So long as you are not get fully trapped, he will agree every thing whatever you will put forth. Once you are trapped, no support from your
society, your days will be numbered on this beautiful earth. You will be treated just a maid to serve his ailing father, do domestic job,and in the night become his sex doll. No respect for your sentiments or earlier promises. Sense of insecurity shall always prevail about your future.
Muslim is a criminal society, no respect for non muslims.
He is ready to leave his home after a secret court marriage. He says he is at maximum risk to leave his just operated father. It was a response when I stated that my father is suicidal.
Seema dear,
I have thoroughly read the comments about you on this blog.
It is 200% correct and confirmed that you have been trapped and
your days of miseries, problems are just near around you to make
yourself no where to lead a blissful life.
Why you stupid girls believe on such people. See, once you are married and brought to his home, then see the changes in his behaviour including
his family. Why are you putting yourself as a sex doll,to lead restricted life of burqa, no free movement, loose your clitoris under Female genital mutliation, as per islamic practices, forced to eat Beef,domestic violence, no chance to come back to your religion.
You are going to be a blot on your family.
In Islam every male member is taught to trap non muslim girls for sex and multiplication of their population. You cannot give him talak, but he can give you talak and force you to go for mutta marriage or Halala practices, a life of prostitute.
If you want to become prostitute or get your skin peeled by muslim terrorists, dont waste time and marry him and see within 1 month, how tortuous life you are forced to lead.
There has never been any kind of violence in his family. They aren’t hot headed. Intact my family is a lot more orthodox than them. They do not consume beef. Just chicken mutton and fish.
They are nowhere close to terrorists, what are you saying now, come on!! His grandfather had been the most famous advocates of our country & many people in his family are settled abroad. The girls in the family tree are pursuing engineering and medicine.
Can U please explain me Female Genital Mutliation?
We have had talks about all the issues over the due course of time. I had a talk again. We have agreed on following points:
1. No nikah
2. Children can opt for religion when they are old till then both of us will inculcate our respective knowledge of religion in them.
3. Children can have hindu and arabic names.
4. I can’t perform any religious activity in his house. (this is disturbing to me)
He effortlessly agreed to most of my demands without much argument from his side as he is considering them to be less important, he just wishes to live together.
I trust him. But still there is a doubt within me that whether all these words will be true in future. He is not a liar or cheat. He comes from an educated & respectable family. He doesn’t have a conservative mindset of muslim but yes he loves Islam. He said the kalma itself means that i bestow myself to Islam & will spread it as much as possible. He believes in it wholeheartedly.
You already have the answer in your last statement. If he is whole heartedly believing in Islam and spreading it, how different is he from other conservatives?
Dear Seema,
You are one of the foolish girls of Kerala and other parts of India, who are soft target of muslim. You know what is the malicious design of islimic fundamentalists, it would be clear from the following passage.
Parents in Kerala suffer from extreme anxiety and fear from the time their young daughters leave home for school or college till she is back home. Official statistics say that about 8 girls are reported missing under suspicious circumstances everyday in Kerala and this is the reason for their growing anxiety and fear.
Based on the statistics of the Crime Record Bureau of Kerala Police, Kochi’s National University of Advanced Legal Studies carried out a study in which it was found that the number of girls missing from Kerala was 2167 in 2007 and 2530 in 2008. The police or other investigative agencies have no information regarding nearly 600 out of these girls. The actual number may be much more taking into consideration the fact that these are the statistics of only the cases that have been registered.
Many of the cases are those of couples falling in love, then eloping and marrying, but information about such cases are gathered within 2 or 3 weeks. The question remained as to what happened to the others. The investigation then ultimately led to the now global disaster called Love Jihad.
The activities of Love Jihadis became more aggressive in Kerala in 2006. This led to the sudden increase in women and young girls disappearing from Kerala.
Jihadi Romeos promise to marry unsuspecting young girls within 6 months if they convert to Islam and take and dump these girls in the conversion centers. These Romeos then go for their next prey. These girls are subject to various tortures for weeks in these conversion centers. There is information that these girls are shipped to foreign countries after drugging them. They are shipped from the unmanned coasts of Kochi, Kozhikode, etc., to Mangalore, Goa, Chennai, Lakshadweep, from where they are taken abroad. They are taken to the Gulf countries under the false pretence of a job and forced into prostitution once they reach there.
It was found in investigations that many of the muslim girls found in police raids in the red light areas in Kochi and Kozhikode were actually Hindu-Christian girls who had converted to Islam in places like Mangalore and Bangalore.
The statistics of the Jihadi conversions in Kerala since 2006 are shocking. The number of those converted in this way was 2876. Cases were registered in only 705 of such incidents. Kasargod tops the list of Jihadi conversions with a figure of 568. Only 123 incidents have been registered with the police.
The numbers from 2006 till 2009 of such Love Jihad conversions on a district basis in Kerala is staggering. Below is a table giving the data district wise in Kerala with total incidents, cases registered, and those brought back with the help of various institutions and friends. The statistics of Waynad district are not available.
Sr.No. Districts Incidents Cases Registered Rescued
1 Thiruvananthapuram 216 26 6
2 Kollam 98 34 7
3 Alappuzha 78 22 6
4 Pathanamthitta 87 36 11
5 Idukki 156 18 9
6 Kottayam 116 46 13
7 Ernakulam 228 52 26
8 Thrissur 102 41 19
9 Palakkad 111 19 9
10 Malappuram 412 88 31
11 Kozhikode 364 92 29
12 Kannur 312 106 27
13 Kasargode 586 123 68
Central investigation agencies have recieved information that 4000 such girls all over India who have been converted under Love Jihad are being trained for Jihadi activities by Pakistan-based terrorist organizations.
Recently, an incident that left Keralites in a shock was the suicide of three girl students in Ambalapuzha. The reason behind that is being cited as Love Jihad. The three girls, Anila, Veni, and Julie, committed suicide as they were being tortured by their classmates, Soufar and Shanavas. Soufar and Shanavas reportedly have links to NDF, a muslim extremist organization in Kerala.
The Jihadi Romeos are given special ranks, rewards, and money for carrying out their operation of trapping more and more unsuspecting girls into this. Jahangir Razak, a former student of Kozhikode Law College, one such Jihadi Romeo, is said to have trapped 42 girls till date. He is reportedly the link between a sex racket running in Chennai and terrorist organizations. One Shajahan from Pathanamthitta has trapped 6 young girls from Malayalappuzha Panchayat itself.
Hope you will understand realities and avoid being trapped by muslim terrorists.
I am not from Kerela. We both are from the NCR.
Seema’s situation is not the problem but it represents the symptom of the social maladies caused by irrational education system. Our education system is devoid of instilling an objective outlook in the students. It makes their life a miserable one as they take wrong decisions in their lives. Most of the decisions they take is based on emotional and superficial factors. In fact, they don’t have enough information to arrive at an informed decisions.
So, again, my suggestion to Seema is, wait for some more time, as every body has suggested, and utilize the waiting period in doing some independent research. She should also hear to her critics, of course not blind critics. Some of her critics may have some truth in their advice. After all why all here nears and dears are suggesting on similar lines?
Bottom line is, don’t accept or reject any suggestion. Take all the suggestions seriously and find out the truth with your own independent research so that you won’t repent later.
If my advice is of any use, I would like to suggest to wait for more time ( say 1 year ). You are still young and I am sure will have bright future. Tell both the guys that you need more time to get into marital relationship and inform your parents. I don’t think they will have objection to this. During this one year, study abt religions and try to understand the causes for the failures of marriages apart from becoming financially independent. Even after one year if you still have the same feelings towards him, then go for him.
Pls remember that you will be burning bridges with your parents & relatives if you go for interfaith relationship ( if you are not able to convince them ). If you chose the wrong guy, you may find yourself without any support in case of conflicts. Make sure that you are not a victim to any ideology.
Admin – I truly appreciate your wise advise to Seema. She should take some more time to test the water. Better wait than regret for whole life…No short cut for the success…
You seem to know Sharia and Islamic countries laws. Can you guide her about her Idea of going to Dubai?
at https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=7507&cpage=1#comment-314579. Thanks.
Dear Seema,
Two steps will bring the solution for your problem:
1.Just wait for the next six months without. Committing to either of the guys.
2. Do your own research regarding love jihad on the web.
However, nothing will work for you if you gullibly believe that you know everrything about Azam. He is smarter than you think.
May Allah save you and your future children from Muhammad and/or his warriors!
Satyenji,
Welcome back after a while. We understand your life is busy.
We feel Seema is a very smart girl and trust that she will make fully informed decision, not any irrational move.
Thank you all great bloggers for spending your valuable time to help others whom you do not even know remotely. That’s Godly work.
Seema,
You are under wrong impression. In Islam all sorts of tricks are allowed to trap non muslim girls for sex and multiplication of their population worldwide. This is not a religion but a criminal idelogy against females and non muslims. Do you know that once you are trapped, you will be forced to :(i) genital mutliation, i.e. removal clitors, (ii) you must bleed on the wedding night (iii), you will be forced in burqa (iv) no free movement or job any where (v) you will be treated just a sex doll (vi) once your husband looses charm on you, he will bring another wife (v) In islam it is allowed to lie, cheat and trap non muslim girls to increase their population (vi) you will be forced to convert to Islam, eat Beef (vii) if you ever try to come back to your religion, you will not be allowed and you will be subject to stonning to death (vii) if you leave your husband, you will be forced to adopt halala practices, means have sex with other males, just like a pros.
It is right for muslim girls to marry with Hindu guys, as they feel security, respect but a hindu girl marrying a muslim, initially they are very liberal moderate, but after trapping, they become monster, terrorist and do not hesitate to pass on females to terrorists.
Be aware, surely you are going to land in a burning fire and you will repent for ever, no chance to come back.
I know muslim strategy. For God,s sake get rid of that bastard. I AM MUSLIM GIRL AND HAVING FACED SO MANY PROBLEMS, I HAVE MARRIED A HINDU GUY, VERY CARING, LOVING AND EDUCATED ME UPTO GRADUATION LEVEL AND NOW WORKING IN A SOFTWARE COMPANY.
HOPE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT MISTAKE YOU ARE GOING TO COMMIT.
Hello Alia,
I respect your concern. Thank you. But, I know Azam. And all the things you mentioned are not at all relating to him. No one in his family wears a burqa. His female cousins are doctors, his sister is pursuing post graduation. It is an educated family. No one has more than one wife in his whole family. They do not consume beef at all. Your views are too extreme.
If “His female cousins are doctors, his sister is pursuing post graduation. It is an educated family.”, why Azam is against his sister ever marrying any one other than a Muslim?
‘Also I told that guy that I’m not interested then he got real angry and asked me to tell this to my family or else he’ll tell them. I just changed the track of conversation otherwise again there would have been restlessness at my place as my family has asked me to talk to him in limits.’ This part was for the guy my family has chosen. Sorry to create misunderstanding.
& the talaks n wives .. I haven’t seen this in Azam’s family tree.
This is not right, “my family has asked me to talk to him in limits.” You have to express and talk with the other party to know each other.
Talaak applies only if both are Muslim. If any one of couple is non-Muslim, the married couple must go through regular court divorce proceedings.
Seema you are a foolish girl.
You are under trap only for sexual purpose. Be aware that muslim mail can keep 4 wives and you can be kicked out by triple oral talak.
Muslim community is a hell for women, with a lot of restrictions and domestic violence.
Leave him and marry in other community.
Islam is a cruel relgion for women.
Hope good sense will prevail on you.
@Seema,
If he is not willing to marry his sister to a Hindu he has double standards. He is not willing be a lenient in any of your requests. You cannot say he has a modern outlook as he will not entertain Hindu sanskar on your children. also if he keeps talking about Mughals and Zakir Naik he is a fanatic. He is not a right person to get married. Its tough but move on. Hope this helps.
Dear admin,
Thank you so much for responding.
He will not marry his sister to a Hindu.
He said if I don’t opt for Nikah then at least I can do him the favour like naming children according to his family.
They’ll be raised in Muslim faith as a girl comes to a boy’s house so she should accept the pre-established culture. Children will be raised as Muslims otherwise being in both religions, they’ll be confused their whole life.
He told only his mother about us. None of the other members know, as his father might have a stroke upon knowing this.
He never went to a temple with me. He has been always uncomfortable about it. But he loves Islam so much that he used to talk endlessly about the Mughal rulers, Zakir Naik etc. I used to get really bored.
His neighbourhood is safe and healthy but he plans to settle in gulf countries as it will be difficult to survive here after eloping. Also, his career is in mechanical and marine engineering so working in other countries is the best option.
He’s doing everything for his father single handedly since 2 years. His father became sick during our courtship. But after 6 months he plans to move on with his career and leave responsibility of his father on his siblings.
About money, he says he ultimately wants to live with me forever even if we have to start in a single room apartment with limited means. But he is ambitious and wishes to live a good facilitated life.
The case of debt won’t be there. The bank accounts are strong. Plus being a well connected family, all the relatives are helping financially too. Its not needed but still they are.
Also I told that guy that I’m not interested then he got real angry and asked me to tell this to my family or else he’ll tell them. I just changed the track of conversation otherwise again there would have been restlessness at my place as my family has asked me to talk to him in limits.
Azam is nothing close to SRK.
Zakir Naik is azam’s hero and he will follow Zakir’s advises. View this video … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdEXD_xKua0 As per this, Azam will never rest till he convert you to Islam.
Seema, you have only two choices:
1) Islam is a great religion. Accept Islam 100% as is. Convert to Islam now and have Nikaah. Forget your parents and all Hindu friends for this life. If you are not clear what is on the way for you, learn it from Mr. Haque. As per Islam, after Nikaah, he could (lightly) beat you, can have 4 wives and give you talaak any time. Where will you go if you get talaak in the middle of a cold night? We hope you are not counting to go to your parents!
2) Forget him. Sorry to be put it bluntly. It will be painful for a few months, but you will get over it soon. At least you could live your life with dignity and pride. Find a job and keep busy.
Seema, every one goes through difficult times in their life. Every one makes mistakes, one or the other times. However, it is important to stay composed and make rational decisions for your life.
Seema, we really care for you and hope you keep in touch with us over years. We feel you pain and wish we could be with you. If not in person, lets stay connected here spiritually. Your well wisher. – Admin
Those blackmailing lines were for the guy my parents chose. Like I said I could tell him that I’m not interested in marriage right now. But, he got angry & asked me to tell this to my family & not to keep his hopeful family waiting. So, I couldn’t tell my family because they already know that I love Azam & it will create arguments & tensions all over again. So, I changed the things I said to another issue & then he calmed down.
Please tell me what should I clarify with Azam like u mention those 3 points (sister’s hindu marry, children religion etc). Tell me more questions that I should ask him. All the necessary points. Please.
You are a smart lady determined to make fully “informed” decision. Thank you for hanging on with us. Read Hindu girl, Zakir and Haque, and ask him how many things apply to you.
Best is to ask him to join us here on line and we will directly discuss with him. Is that possible?
Bottom line, tell him that children will follow BOTH faiths. They will be half Hindu and half Muslim. Absolutely there is no other option. When his family agree to that, go marry him without any concern. They are modern and educated thus they will accept this.
This BBS as a ritual is not an issue but the thought process behind it is a concern. It is a great insurance for you (no BBS). The day he change his mind in your married life, tell him you will walk away.
If you are not a fake, then you are a bollywood movie star …at least for a few years more, everyone looks like villain opposing your fairy tale of romance. You are a heroine fighting the ‘oppression’ of your parents and other ‘bad’ hindus. You will know exactly what I mean when things “settle down in 5 years”.You will increase muslim population for India in the meanwhile, after that your purpose is redundant for everyone.
I wished it to be movie so that I could at least change the channel. but, sadly its the reality of my life.
Seema, it is true. It is very difficult to face this in personal life. It gets even difficult to breath. Most of all, if something goes wrong, there is no one to blame than you (Seema only).
For this reason, we said do not make any decision in rush. Take at least 6 months.
I do not have 6 months. I only have around 2-3 months. The arranged marriage guy’s family is getting involved with my family steadily. They are discussing ceremonies etc. They wish to engage within 2 months & marry within 4 months.
But, Azam needs time like 6-7 months to chalk out everything. First, to complete his fathers procedures (2 months) & then his job, which is now in Gulf not in Europe. He says he’ll marry me here by civil marriage & then join there in gulf country & then work on my visa (which will be a family visa now, as I’ll be the wife) & then in few months I can go join him there. Now, to prove me to be the wife, we should possess a Nikahanama to declare we are legally married under Sharia Law in gulf countries. That will require me to have a Nikah with him. It means conversion. Won’t my Special Marriage Act certificate prove that we are a legally married couple?
I raise 2 points:
1. I will never convert. (we all know why, nothing to elaborate)
2. I’ll be fighting for him at my place till 6 months & after a secret marriage, he’ll fly to gulf but where will I stay till the remaining time of my visa arrangement! His family won’t readily accommodate me here & again we know the saga of my family.
Is it necessary for a couple to have a Nikahanama to settle in gulf, say, Dubai? (Gulf countries follow Sharia Law)
Then what about couples who are non-Muslims & get settled there? Do they have a Nikah to live there?
I know a few people (family friends) who are happily living there the way they do here without all this nikah & all.
Seema,
This guy is a follower of Zakir Naik and is of major concern. He will NOT rest till he converts you. He will do anything or tell you any thing, even lies, to convert you. Only what you have to decide if you are willing to convert to Islam or not.
There are many Hindu couples in Dubai, however we do not know rules there for a Muslim husband and a Hindu wife. Probably those marriage may not be valid there. Dubai is an Islamic country and you do not want to be there as a Muslim wife, even in name shake, if you do not have intention to be a true Muslim.
Azam has all interest in converting you, probably from the very first day. We say walk away from this Muslim love-proselyzer and a fan of Zakir Naik.
Now to your Hindu arranged guy, if you don’t like, just say NO. Respectfully tell the guy that you do not wish to rush now, sorry. Tell your parents you need little more time to think through. It will be hard but it a good option for you.
Find a job and get out of home.