Shakti says: March 11, 2017 at 7:42 pm
I m ready to convert to Islam.. i m in love with a Muslim girl. This time for me a true religion is islam. All day i read quran to and she want to see me a muslim.
yes she want to see me a muslim. I m Hindu. She wants me to be a muslim because she want to see me in a true religion. my parents know about my gf, specilly my sis is know everything about her & her parents too know. We will live in india after marriage. -Shakti
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Hi Shakti,
You are an adult and has right to do that is right for your life. We wish you the best.
After marriage, are you going to live with your parents? Are your parents and community okay you two Muslims to live with them? You said your parents know about it, does it mean they agreed you to convert to Islam?
In life, some times, you have to make sure you are making right decisions. What would you do (we hope not!) if your mother says I don’t want a Muslim in my kitchen? Ask her to make sure.
Lets assume you become a Muslim today. That means you are not a part of your Hindu father’s heritage. If your father has a house or land, all will go to your other siblings and not to you. Check with a lawyer to understand Indian laws about property heritage before converting.
You say you read Koran every day. Write us what your version of Koran says for some of statements in **bold here (click). Lets talk more.
Dear Admin,
I don’t know whether Shakti has studied Islam enough to answer your questions and as someone who has only recently been introduced to Islam, I highly doubt that he has had a chance to study the Qur’an in detail yet.
May I just clarify for everyone reading your link and statements in **bold a few crucial points needs do to understand those verses:
– “** 2:191 Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed.
** 2:193 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme.”
As you know – and any SCHOLAR of Islam will confirm – the Qur’an includes many verses which. EEd to. E applied and understood in their historical context. The context in which 2:191 and 2:193 were written/revealed is one of
Religious oppression: when Muhammad began to spread the message of Islam, he wasn’t just simply
Ridiculed and called “a poet, a magician, a madman” (whether you believe in him as God’s prophet or not, it’s irrelevant to my point because my point will state only facts)
The Meccan established order and society at the time not only ridiculed him but also had started physically harassing him and assaulting his followers – many of the new Muslims were tortured physically to renounce their religion)
Plus, Islam posed a big threat to Mecca’s economy because it advocated freeing of the slaves, removing idols
from Kabah (a major revenue for pilgrimages already being done there by pagan Arabs)
In this time of religious oppression, Muhammad and his followers had to seek refuge in Medina, a city who invited the Prophet and his followers to come and practice their religion freely there.
So please try and understand these commandments like “fight them…” as only applying to that situation back in 7th century. Yes, idolatry is strongly condemned in the Quran but any half educated imam or scholar should be able to confirm that these verses do NOT appeal or call upon the young Muslims of 2017 to go out and kill/slay/fight anyone opposingh their faith… if this was indeed the case, there wouldn’t be any Hindus left in northern India or any other people of other faiths living side by side with Muslims.
Cannot comment on all verses you mentioned – most of them repeat the same thing where idolatry is condemned with strong punishments – but I am very very sure about this interpretation I have given above as I discussed this for a university class and my professors know better than the likes
Of zakir Naik so pardon my arrogance But the professors, being scholars of Islam, probably know better 🙂
Also, one major thing you have left out or haven’t been exposed to is that according to islam, if someone has not been exposed to the message of Islam, there is no responsibility on them (they will be judged according to their faith)
You can be a Hindu, a Christian or anything else and you – without realizing it – could actually be a Muslim – that’s why I have repeatedly tried to explain on this forum that what you see as Islam today is less a spiritual path/truth as we believe it but sadly more of an political/religious ideology – whereas those who understand Islam know that it isn’t a religion: it’s a way of life where you are expected to do good and live according to God’s will.
And this God that Muslims believe in rewards people according to their deeds: you haven’t mentioned any of the verses where it speaks about God regarding anyone (it specifically says “good Jews, Muslims, anyone who believes in God and Judgement day and does good deeds…God will reward them”)
When I think of islam as a “religion”, it sounds wrong because too much has been corrupted in its application today and that’s why I have said it’s the best and worst religion. But I hope you can also understand it within its context and begin to see it with less rigid eyes because you are frightened by the literalist reading of the Quran. Quran isn’t alone in these type of language being used, its predecessors have also used strong language to describe punishments and Gid’s wrath.
All religious texts have violence/scary stuff in them that shocks any 21st century reader: take the old
Testament (full of “scary” verses), or Vedas/Puranas where it says to pour hot melted wax into the ears of any Dalit who tries to read a religious text meant only for Brahmins… examples are endless. We just need to understand them after realizing the circumstances and era from which they come.
Otherwise, one is absolutely free to do a literal reading of their holy texts too: in which case, all Gods (Yahweh, other Hindu gods) are as violent as Allah!
After 2 year parents going to live in village.and my parents always accept me in anyway they want to see me happy only.
No no mom never say about muslim & i have alot muslim friend’s.
My parents live in village after 2 year & i live in my hometown alone.
Quran book in i m on 64 page no.
You said “anyway they want to see me happy,” but it is good to tell them up front that 1) you will be 100% Muslim and 0% Hindu. Tell them that after conversion, 2) you will have to remove your Shakti name and pick up some Muslim name, you cannot be a Hindu, 3) cannot pray at Hindu temple ever, cannot pray to Rama and Krishna ever and 4) cannot give a final rites for your Hindu parents when they die. Also you 5) cannot play Holi and Diwali, but only have to celebrate Muslim holidays only. Further, 6) if you ever consider getting out of Islam, as per Muhammad, punishment is death (Bukhari 9-84-57). Ask them if they are still supporting you to convert to Islam?
If we show you a good way to marry her and don’t have to convert to Islam, do you want to know? This way you could still be a part of your parents heritage and house and lands etc. This way, you respect her as a Muslim and she respect you the way you are. No one has to convert. Give a priority to love and not conversion, is not it beautiful?
Admin, raising children is not like a recipe where you use 100 grams of flour, 200 grams of chocolate and 50 grams of sugar etc. while baking… so your question of “How much of “Hindu” culture are you planning to install in your children, 0% 5%, 15%, 50%, 80%?” is something impossible to answer unless and until I have children. Children will be surrounded by a big İndian family growing up – which is much bigger than mine. So you do the math if you want to. I’m not sure I can give an answer on that.
Specifically, we would probably teach them about Hindu mythology when the time comes and they are old enough to process and understand it. You get exposed to a lot of that via films, it’s limited information but I first got exposed to it watching Bollywood but felt the need to learn it properly when I didn’t understand a religious reference… so I started reading and asking my İndian friends – slowly slowly I learnt more about Hindu mythology, and then slowly I became interested in Vedas etc. It’s very deep and a lot to learn so not sure one can ever fully know it since there is so much information. So I’m sure the same will happen with the kids that way. Ask me in 5-10 years again 🙂
I have actually not met too many Indian Muslims, I know very few of them. So whenever I think of Indian culture, I actually think of what you call “Hindu culture”. The reason I refuse to call it that is because there are some cultural traits and values that apply to all Indians so why divide that based on religion? When we play Holi, we are celebrating a “Hindu” festival but I know İndian Muslims, sikhs etc who join these celebrations with their Hindu friends. When they celebrate Independence Day, or play cricket, or visit a dargah, or simply respect their family – a big İndian value – or do whatever else Indians do, they do it together – so i felt it wouldn’t be right for me to say “Hindu” culture or “Muslim” culture based on what I have observed. Perhaps I saw an idealistic picture – I know that it’s not everywhere in india where people are this integrated, celebrating each other’s festivals etc.
But for me, İndian culture is a combination of things, and its a different culture than mine so whatever it is, it will be a part of my children’s lives, as their father will be İndian.
Admin I clearly understand that u run your agenda to convert persons of other religion to Islam
Shame on u. U just target Hindu girls and boys to convert into Islam
Uhmmm… where did you got that idea?
Admin, I think that title is great. It describes what the book is about and as a potential reader, I know exactly what to expect from it looking at the title.
One can argue endlessly whether Islam is a tolerant religion or not. But like many observant Muslims on this forum have mentioned before, those coming from a Muslim culture feel that it is a religious requirement for their non-muslim spouse to convert to Islam before they can get married. If we had to generalize, there are two kinds of Muslims: those who are secular/irreligious and don’t care about what the Quran/the religion says so they go ahead and marry anyone they wish and those who believe in it and want to follow that 2:221.
I was surrounded by the former kind throughout my life so it surprised me to come to this forum and see your experience, where only 3 out of 700 interfaith cases resulted in what you call “marriage with equality”. Even those Muslims like myself who wanted their partners to convert/who genuinely introduced their partners to Islam will and should teach repsect for all religions, especially since one set of grandparents of these children will come from a different religion and it would be unfair for them to be excluded from their spouses background. I will actively seek to incorporate İndian culture into the lives of my kids and I don’t have to try hard becwuse they will be surrounded by it growing up.
Equality takes different forms, so we need to respect everyone’s life choices.
Did you see that link I shared where I asked Muhammad to comment (he probably disappeared from the forum, would love to see him come back)? Sharing again here: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/12/2012122795639455824.html
Do you think this type of interfaith marriage where an imam will marry spouses without any conversion will increase in the years to come? I certainly think so…
On “Muslim culture feel that it is a religious requirement for their non-muslim spouse to convert,” we feel there is tremendous community pressure amongst Muslims, and that is good for Islam. Such grip was also there for Hindus, Christians and others long before but with advancement of time; now non-Muslims have lots of liberty to define their own faith and feelings.
We agree to “Equality takes different forms, so we need to respect everyone’s life choices.” We respect religious Muslims. Our main concern is with “those who are secular/irreligious and don’t care about what the Quran/the religion.” For them, we wrote in our book, “To ask for religious conversion after years into romantic relationship is an ugly form of proselytism.”
Please correct, “actively seek to incorporate İndian culture” to “actively seek to incorporate HINDU culture;” is that what you meant? India has guys like Mac too and following Indian culture.
On your question, “will increase in the years to come?” it is not if but when. Other faiths are progressive and have adapted to time (not that those religious leaders are happy about). Islam is little late to adapt to time. Muslims in American and Europe like luxuries, liberal laws and freedom, but they don’t want to adapt flexibility in matters of faith (interfaith marriage as an example) and definitely not once that country becomes Muslim majority (example Malaysia). That is why nationalism is growing in the West. Probably, if it was not his anti-Muslim agenda, Trump won’t be a President. It is also the same thing going on in Europe too. Lets see if these developments help open Islam or Islam goes even more radicle.
Include some of these thought in your book.
Two weeks before, we wrote you an e-mail for tips on book publication. We hope it was some value.
Thanks admin, haven’t seen my emails yet, will take a look asap/
You write: “secular/irreligious Muslims…For them, we wrote in our book, “To ask for religious conversion after years into romantic relationship is an ugly form of proselytism.””
I agree with you that it’s wrong to ask for a conversion after years of not saying anything about it. You should be honest with your partner from the beginning if marrying religiously is importantly to you and especially Christian, Jewish and Muslim partners need to decide from the start of a relationship whether they place importance on religious marriage, which cannot happen without some form of Jewish conversion / baptism / shahadah. If their partner knows about this from the beginning – the way mine was – then the partner can decide whether he or she is willing to proceed with the relationship or not.
Community pressure, as you mentioned, is definitely a major factor that especially impacts young Muslims. I was fortunate enough to never face this, but I know it’s a different case for thousands of South Asian, Arab and Malaysian, Indonesian, Iranian Muslims or even those living in Europe or North America who come from immigrant fam Ilke’s.
In my opinion, the individual should decide if it’s important to them or not, and then be strong enough to fight for their love even if the community will have problems. This “log kya kahenge” / “what will people say” phenomenon is such a big plague on all our societies In the east. We have amazing & strong families and culture and values – which I see as an advantage over the more lonelier, individualistic societies like some countries in the west – but we should also not stifle youngsters and their dreams because what the bloody neighbor / extended cousins will think of them… I hope that more parents will defend and support their children and stand up for them and their dreams (not just in marriage but even with other issues like what they want to study, or how they act/dress).
In some places I have seen in india, mostly small towns, you almost have to put up a façade and act every time you are surrounded by people – you cannot be yourself out of fear of gossip and that’s a very restricting life to lead.
This makes a lot of youngsters miserable and seeking to move abroad or to a bigger city to finally be free and live life as they wish. At least that’s what I have observed with my friends.
Rabia, can you clarify on “actively seek to incorporate İndian culture,” is that Indian or Hindu culture?
How much of “Hindu” culture are you planning to install in your children, 0% 5%, 15%, 50%, 80%?
mac, welcome back! We agree 100% for “I have shown you with facts and anecdotal that interfaith marriage with equality is an impossible event, interfaith marriage with equality is only possible if both the partners are atheist.” Yes, you have written a nice article. Yes, it is not possible and youths should not bother with such marriage if any one side has 1% pride in their own faith. Unfortunately the reality is–people do fall in love. Lets keep educating youths for potential issues. If they still wants to pursue their Hindu-Muslim relationship, it’s their life and their choice.