Srinivas says: July 21, 2014 at 5:09 am
Sir,
I was never the one to believe in existence of Moderate Islam or Moderate Muslims. And you (Iftekhar Hai) do not prove me wrong. You are not a reformer. You are like a wolf in sheep’s clothes.
You wrote, ‘Every society has to change. Muslims must also change…..there is no doubt in my mind.’
Again the same bluff. It looks you believe in the maxim that if one repeats lie enough times people eventually believe it. Nazis believed in this and put in to effect very well also.
Nazism and Islam; Nazis and Muslims. Both are totalitarian and fascist (supremacist) ideologies.
I wrote about the present day world and the reality by drawing your attention to facts i.e. there is hardly Muslim majority nations which grants basic human rights to Non-Muslims let alone additional privileges, which Muslims, when in minority, seek from Non-Muslim majority nations.
If Non-Muslim societies had to change in anyway, it should only be in dealing with Muslims in their societies by stopping those privileges and putting an end to secular laws.
You write, ‘…there is no doubt in my mind….’.
I stated facts that can be observed and wanted people to come to opinions based on those observations. But you ? Basically what you are saying is ‘TRUST ME’ even if observations, made scientifically, are against your claims.
This attitude is not a sign of intelligence nor honesty. It is a sign of your pure bigotry and intolerance.
You write, ‘….Today most of the Muslims are not religious…………they follow the laws of the land wherever they happen to live…..’
This is a statement of deception. Muslims use those secular laws and pluralist media and society to advance Islam and to gain special privileges in the name multiculturalism. Muslims do not want to assimilate in to these host countries, a fact proved by opinion polls in UK. There are numerous Muslim organizations in Non-Muslim nations, who stated their Islamic agenda i.e. to bring their host nations under Sharia law or Islamic rule. And we have not seen any real and significant efforts by these ‘so called moderate’ Muslims to counter these extremist Islamic organizations. At the same time these Moderate Muslims are at the forefront and are very active when protesting against their perceived insults to their religion and their Prophet. Its a proven fact that in about 85% of mosques in US, extremism is preached. Till yesterday, American Muslim students are being taught Jihad in schools.
You write, ‘….Except for Saudi Arabia………….there is not a single Muslim country that follows the Sharia laws enacted 1000 years ago…..’
Sharia is Islam; and Islam is Sharia. There is no difference between these two.
Every Muslim nation, except Turkey (still, Turkey does not grant equal rights to Non-Muslims) and Indonesia (even here, some provinces enforce strict Sharia), declares Islam as official religion or itself as Islamic nation. Such declarations are not symbolic, like Ashghar Ali Engineer – self styled Muslim reformer – writes. Non-Muslims suffer a wide range of discrimination and persecution that is legal and life-reality.
Yet again, you showed that you are not averse to using false statements. To prove your statement, you only had to mention those Muslim nations, out of 57, which have secular constitutions and grants equal rights to Non-Muslims. But you couldn’t.
Every Muslim nation follows Sharia to some degree. All most all Muslim nations declare in their constitution that Sharia is the source of All laws and definitions of various rights and duties.
Here we see some examples :
Pakistan : Article 227(1) of the Pakistani constitution reads, “All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and sunna ( i.e. Sharia)… and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunction”
Egypt : Article II of the 1980 Egyptian constitution states that Islam is the religion of the state and “Islamic jurisprudence (i.e Sharia) is the principal source of legislation.”
IRAQ : Under the supervision of Imperial forces of USA, its ARTICLE 2 IN ITS constitution reads :
“Article 2
First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.
C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this
constitution may be established.”
SYRIA : Article 3 [Islam]
(1) The religion of the President of the Republic has to be Islam.
(2) Islamic jurisprudence is a main source of legislation
Above quoted ones are few examples. (I left out the obvious ones like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran and recent addition like Qatar; may be that you, Hai, are not keeping with current events.)
Even then, it is habitual for Muslim commentators to write their constitutions are secular in nature, a laughable statement like ‘I am a steak eating vegetarian’.
Before I move to discussion on Pakistan, I like to mention few salient features of such constitutions, which are in complete accordance with Sharia.
1. Construction of Non-Islamic places of worship is prohibited or made very difficult.
2. Muslims can not convert to other religions. Other faiths can not proselytize.
3. But Muslims can convert others to Islam and proselytize.
4. While Muslim men are permitted to marry Non-Muslim women and raise their children as Muslims, marriages of Muslim women with Non-Muslim men are not recognized. (Infact, such Non-Muslim guys trying to marry Muslim women would be killed by Muslims.)
Come to Pakistan, because it is our neighbor and your home country, and you find more Sharia.
Pakistan’s blasphemy law is too famous to be missed out by a person like you. Is it not that this Blasphemy law is from Sharia ? How many Christians have fallen pray to this law ? You might say that in reality no Non-Muslim has been executed under this law. Besides the fact that it has become an instrument of persecution of Non-Muslims, many have been convicted and even those acquitted by courts were killed by Muslims outside the courts.
One case needs a good mention here for it throws light on concept of Moderate Muslims.
Asia Bibi, a Christian mother of 5 children, was awarded death sentence under the charge of Blasphemy by a court. She was not executed because of attention it would get internationally. And she is still in prison.
When (Late) Salman Taseer, the then Governor of Punjab, former husband of Indian journalist Tavleen Singh, went to the support of Asia Bibi and called for repeal of this Blasphemy Law. Subsequently he was killed by his own body guard. Massive demonstrations were held across Pakistan praising the killer and his act, and asking for his acquittal and release.
One might say that those masses are illiterate ! When the assassin was to court for trial, the lawyers in Pakistan showered rose petals on him in the court room itself.
In Pakistan’s legal, civil and constitutional courts, the testimony of one Muslim man is equal to testimony of two Hindu (Non-Muslim) men. In Sharia courts, the testimony of Non-Muslims is not even accepted.
Doesn’t Sharia law say that testimony of Non-Muslims is not accepted ? It does.
Its common practice in Pakistan that Hindu and Christian women are kidnapped, converted to Islam and forced to marry Muslim men. Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has reported that about 25 Hindu women are kidnapped every month by Muslim men. And about 700 Christian women are also kidnapped annually by Muslims. Even married Hindu women were not safe, it looks. More over, Pakistan’s constitution doesn’t even recognize Hindu marriages – according to few human rights activist, this has worsened the situation for Hindus.
In 1950 s, in present day Pakistan Hindus comprised 15% of Pakistan’s population. According to 1998 reports, it came down to 1.8% and now it must be below 1%.
This ethnic cleansing of Hindus of Pakistan from its land is talked and mentioned proudly by Muslims in their magazines.
Reading all this, you will still say that only Saudi Arabia enforces Sharia and no other Muslim nation does (!!!) like you did earlier. Because you neither have any conscience nor any moral values.
You are not out to reform your Islam, though I doubt if it could be reformed.
Your main job is, under the guise of moderate Islam and inter faith reach (or dialog), to keep Non-Muslims in a false sense of security so that other Muslims carry on their Jihad for advancing Islamic rule unopposed.
Frankly, like I said before, you people, i.e. so called reformers, are worse than those Muslim terrorists, for they are at-least honest.
Your quotes from Koran clearly suggest that your views are no diff. from those of Orthodox Islam. If those Muslim terrorists want to archive their aim of Islamic dominating the world through terrorism, you want to do it through subterfuge and non-violent means. but the goal is the same.
Other point is, ‘so called golden age of Islam’ is largely a myth, which I will write about later. Srinivas
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Srinivas, this is perhaps a very late comment and I doubt you are reading this after 2 years but please learn more about Turkey and “moderate Muslims” before going off on a semi-educated rant about the country/religion/it’s people. There is not only such a thing as a moderate Muslim, but also secular and anti-Islamic Muslim (meaning that they may be born Muslim but they mock and criticize those who pray or practice because of their anti-religious cultural upbringing.
Mac,
In the news papers, it is reported that ISIS group in Iraq, has ordered all women and girls to adopt Khatna, FMG compulsorily.
Is it not an anti humanity promulgation?
Sister Amgela, is ISIS a islamic author, is ISIS mentioned in quran that what ever they will say will be islam, did mohammad pbuh said about them, is ISIS getting support from all 1.6 billion muslims around the world, is FMG a islamic practice, can you give reference from quran or hadith and today i also read in newspaper and ISIS denied this in twiter,allegation , the experts are also denying this allegation,
and even if they said what islam has to do with it, did i ever asked what happened in church and their sex scandal coz i know that those things are not mentioned in bible, it just their personal evil behaivour which satan leads them to do
Sister Angela, Read ISIS denied it
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-deny-un-claim-theyre-ordering-female-genital-mutilation-mosuls-women-261323
Dear Mac,
The you are advocating about welfare measures in Koran, are not realistic in true perspective. The way women are being kidnapped and raped even in muslim countries, it is hard to believe that islamic teachings favour muslim women,s cause. Even if we go by Koran, there are several texts that do not substantiate your claim , as under.
A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.2:223 “Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
Husbands are a degree above their wives.2:228 . . .” (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)
A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.4:11 “The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .” (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)
woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.2:282 “ (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).
A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.2:230 “And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . .” (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)
Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.4:24 “And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .” (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).
Islam calls for what should be, but legislates for what is. Legislating for what should be is wishful thinking.
A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.4:129 “It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; ” (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)
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STATUS OF WOMEN IS ISLAM
WHEN A MUSLIM GIRL IS BORN
SHE BECOMES A REASON FOR HER FATHER TO ENTER PARADISE
WHEN SHE GROWS UP AND MARRIES A MAN
SHE COMPLETES THE OTHER PART OF HIS RELIGION
WHEN SHE BECOMES A MOTHER
PARADISE WILL BE UNDER HER FEET
If a muslim parent abort their child then in the judgement day , that female child will ask parents and parents has to answer why they killed her
“And when the female (infant) buried alive – is questioned, for what crime she was killed.” (Qur’an 81:8-9).
Criticizing the attitudes of such parents who reject their female children, Allah Says in Qur’an : “When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people, Because of the bad news He has had! Shall he retain it On (sufferance and) contempt, Or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) They decide on? (The Noble Quran, 16:58-59)“
Prophet Muhammad( peace be upon him) said: Narrated AbuSa’id al-Khudri: “The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone cares for three daughters, disciplines them, marries them, and does good to them, he will go to Paradise. (Translation of Sunan abu Dawud, Book 41, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Number 512 8) “
Far from saving the girl’s life so that she may later suffer injustice and inequality, Islam requires kind and just treatment for her. Among the sayings of Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) in this regard are the following:
Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) said “Whosoever has a daughter and he does not bury her alive, does not insult her, and does not favor his son over her, God will enter him into Paradise”. (Ibn Hanbal, No. 1957).
Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) said
Whosoever supports two daughters till they mature, he and I will come in the day of judgment as this (and he pointed with his two fingers held together). (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 2104).
Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him) said about female children:
“A daughter is a lovely child; affectionate, eager to help, mild and full of sacred feelings of motherhood.”
and in hinduism your god has degraded women so much that i
Women are fickle minded. Never believe them. Friendship with a women is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig-Veda)
your book compares women with animals(wolf)
A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
A hindu women is virtuous if she let her die in burning fire of her husbands funeral,what , hello hindu girls, look your god is saying you should burn yourself alive with your dead husband
Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
‘Rig Veda’ itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons. So much so, that for begetting a son, ‘Vedas’ prescribe a special ritual
called ‘Punsawan sanskar’ (a ceremony performed during third month of pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed:
“Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb” – Atharva Ved 6/11/3
“O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women” – Atharva Ved 2/3/23
In ‘Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)’ a sonless women has been termed as unfortunate.
SO HINDU WOMEN, PLEASE STUDY ABOVE FACTS AND DECIDE WHICH RELIGION GIVES RIGHT,RESPECT TO WOMEN, OMG, YOU MAY SAY THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS, IT IS NOT HINDUISM BUT IT IS INDIAN CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES RIGHT TO WOMEN, MY MOTHER GET OUT OF THIS SHIT RELIGION, WHEN IS YOUR TURN????
admin “””We asked a question to mac, are you performing namaz 5 times a day? He is averting this question by replying “religion is my personal matter”. His mother is not performing namaz and also displaying her hairs in public (with some dupatta cover as namesake), working and mingling with non-believer, etc. We feel mac is not a true Muslim, only a talker!””””
from when you started to judge people, religion is my personal matter and try yourself, dupatta can cover entire head, try yourself and it is not haram to mingle with non-believer bocz quran says “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. [Al-Qur’an 60:8]
so if that non-beliver don`t harm us(my mom) then why she shouldn`t co operate with them, why? can you give refrence from quran where it tells us not to mingle with non-believers
What Islam Wants
Let’s Hear From Pakistan Jamat-e-Islami Leader, Maulana Nabiullah Khan
“Jamhooria Islamia”, a monthly Baluchi magazine published from Panj-gar, published an interview with Maulana Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, a confidant of and adviser to the Amir of leading Pakistani Islamic party, Jamaat-e-Islami, Maulana Qazi Ahmed, which was conducted by Jalil Amir. The following constitutes are excerpts from that conversation which reveals the fundamentalist ideology and designs of the organisation and its leader.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/What_Islam_Wants.shtml
In the middle of interview, we read these:
“TERRORIZATION IS THE BEST CONVERSION TOOL
After Independence, a lot of Hindus migrated to India. Yet after the migration, the Pakistani Hindu population was 15%. Do you know what is the percentage now? It is less than 1%. How was this made possible? How did the Hindus convert to Islam in a short span of 20 years whereas for 700 years they had never converted to Islam? That is purely because of the terror of the Partition.
TERROR FORCED HINDUS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM IN PAKISTAN
That terror forced the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become Muslims. Pure and simple. JI used similar techniques in Punjab and Sindh. Each time a riot breaks out in India, we had used that pretext to strike terror among the Hindus, Christians and Ahmaddiahs. The similar terror will be at the heart of every non-Muslim, both Hindu as well as Christian, in the coming years in the entire of India.”
Wow, this is socking, “In 1950 s, in present day Pakistan Hindus comprised 15% of Pakistan’s population. According to 1998 reports, it came down to 1.8% and now it must be below 1%.” Contrary to that, in secular Hindu majority India and Christian majority Europe, Muslims are flourishing and expanding their population. Is this by chance or by design?
Sri, do you know senses results from 2000 in India? When that report is expected to come out?
Because they migrated to india whereas many hindus are converting to islam every year thatwhy population is rising also in europen countrie like UK,France,Germany,USA ISLAM is the fastest growing religion interms of conversions only, in USA every year 1,30,000 people convert to islam, so
One can understand how fanatic Muslims are when they say Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
Because how can they boast this when Islam does not allow freedom of religion or freedom of conscience, as Islam commands that apostates (Muslims who leave Islam) be put to death; when all Muslim nations ban Muslims converting to other faiths, one way or other.
ALL BELOW HADITH ARE FROM SAHIH BUKHARI :
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.”
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu’adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu’adh asked, “What is wrong with this (man)?” Abu Musa replied, “He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism.” Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
A man who wants to leave islam means he is criminal as islam doesnt allow rape,gambling,alchohol consumtion, fornication, adultery, smoking, lying, murdering, cheating,robbing so if one wants to leave islam that means he wants to practice those above mentioned things so that islamic sharia rule doesn`t apply on him
you write, “A man who wants to leave islam means he is criminal”………
Why ? Because, like I said, Islam is totalitarian and fascist.
We asked a question to mac, are you performing namaz 5 times a day? He is averting this question by replying “religion is my personal matter”. His mother is not performing namaz and also displaying her hairs in public (with some dupatta cover as namesake), working and mingling with non-believer, etc. We feel mac is not a true Muslim, only a talker!