There is a great debate going on between mac and Momeen and it deserves more attention. Please read all prior discussion here. Both, mac and Momeen, please continue your debate on this post. Both, superb job, … continue!
Hanna Khan (former Momeen): says: October 23, 2015 at 6:43 am
Everytime you provide me with a newer page on the capability of the cult!
You’ve not answered on three topics: Muslim countries which provide citizenship to nonMuslims, children rights and labour rights; so you know where you stand!
/”Does it matter whether they launched Moon mission or not”/
So, on the day when India achieved stardom you spent it mourning!
If Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Qatar have added themselves to the extremely elite club of the Moon Mission, then you would have jumped between the heaven and the earth, blowing the trumpet! But unfortunately it’s India, so now suddenly all the humanitarian stat would’ve captured your full attention!
India has the highest percentage of malnourished children because of inept administration, corruption and dirty politics. For this reason can we let the brains which are powered with Godgifted ingenuity to go to drain?! Shall we stop spending on military too so that Pakistan can attack and make you feel at the top of the world?!
Some of the best scientists, mathematicians, doctors, engineers, artists etc. that India has produced raised from abject poverty and attained greatness! With this much of dishonest politicians if India could win marvels, imagine how India would be only if the nation were to be blessed with honourable political class!!
“those islamic countries care about feeding their own people rather than sending object to space., be humane not machine,”
God Bless You!
This level of ruthless shamelessness?!
Leaders of lsamic nations are busy feeding their people?!!
Outrageous level of sycophancy!!!
Leaders of Islamic nations are despicably notorious for wretched excesses and you have the audacity to say they are feeding their own people? If only the Islamic leaders were to pool in their wealth for constructive purposes, the entire Africa would have sufficient food!
And as per your argument, the leaders only job is to feed the people? With petrodollars running in trillions how many Gulf nations can equal India’s or West’s Space programmes! God has given brain and time, not only to spend for praying, praying and praying and splashing the wealth but also to put it to maximum utilization for the betterment of self and society!
Your sense of ‘being humane’ is dizzing!
Constitutional rights for minorities and Islamic nations: “There are many”?
How many? When there are ‘many’, you didn’t dare to mention even one? The entire world would appreciate wholeheartedly if there exists a single Muslim nation which treats all humans as equals! Please enlighten everyone on that!
And please come again! What do you want? Reservation for converted Muslims/ Christians?
Proselytizing has always been an one way traffic for Muslims; its their birthright to convert in both Islamic and nonIslamic countries! But can any Christian or Hindu proselytize in Muslim countries? And in India, you propagate from North to South and West to East, convert and in addition to that you need reservation!
Only someone who is outrageously cunning, opportunistic and selfish could even place such a demand!
You lure the lambs showing the ‘Equality’ card and after taking them away from their faith by poisoning their brains about polytheism, casteism and discrimination, you have the nerve to demand reservation! Only a venomous individual can think like that!
And one more point: you have repeatedly highlighted Vedic discrimination, that’s where Hindu leadership deserves appreciation! They accepted the cruelty of caste system and in spite of being mentioned in their Holy Books they had the moral uprightness and courage to take steps to eliminate the inhuman bias and hence reservation for dalits got the priority! Caste system is still prevalent throughout India but the level of discrimination has come down tremendously when compared with what happened a century back! Its not wiped out but the fight is on!
Now imagine if it were to be part of Muslim Holy Book…
Regarding beef, I’ve already stated in https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10453: pork is haram for Muslims‐ hence not only in Saudi Arabia, most of the Islamic world never permits swine slaughter but if Hindus feel cow as holy and that should not be slaughtered, Muslims oppose the move even in India, where Hinduism originated.
You always have two set of rules: one for you and one for others!
Women:
“Muslim women eat three times without moving an inch”
With such parasitical mindset bury Muslim women further deep inside the grave, alive!
I would need a book to compile the woes of Muslim women! But alas, such matters are only for those individuals who are ready to shoulder responsibility not to a depraved individual who thinks feeding three times a day is what women deserve!
Muslim women are one of the most underprivileged humans in the entire world! Physical, psychological, intellectual, social, legal, financial and sexual crushing of Muslim females is the norm all over the world! Muslim women who are educated and financially independent are breaking the shackles while others are burning in the pyre, because of this exactly medieval mindset!
On the subject of illegal children: I had underestimated you too much! I just thought you’re a cult‐enslaved individual, well that was wrong, you’re a perverted sadist! No human being who has even a tiny bit of humanity left in him can stoop to such a grade! What could be explained to a heartless pervert who calls an innocent child such names?
No doubt, Western culture is completely different! But I feel it’s far better than the brutality of getting a 10 or 11 year old married to someone between 20 to 90 as one of the four wives and pushing the little soul into hellfire! The former one is the free choice of an independent woman‐ though its absolutely unfortunate, but the latter is the treatment of a little girl as a commodity to satisfy the lust of a scoundrel with religious banner!
How can a heartless individual who thinks ‘women’s only need is three times food’ can understand the horrendous criminality!
“europen countries who treat women like a object to earn money, pornography, legal prostitution”
What else could be expected from a venomous mind? Your every cell is teeming with poison, malice and evil… continue your fourth rated hallucination!
“which country has killed most people using these technologies?”
Every freethinking person should know to what level a destructive brain can stoop! Close your eyes and imagine that the world is dark!!
Brimming with petrodollars and without any intellectual contribution what else can the sycophant say!!!
To the specific question of, how many Islamic countries have accepted refugees of other faiths, the reply was:
‘There are many’, but no name was specified in the first part! Now in the second part, suddenly a name has propped up, Palestine!
Please give the entire details as how many refugees landed, the year… and the links! And the hallucinator continues, “any country in the world”, please mention the other Islamic countries which have absorbed nonMuslim refugees!
/“What wrong did I say…”/
What do you think of everyone? You are the only intellectual and all others are fools? Your write on terrorism index in India as if Islamic fundamentalism has no role in it! Islamic fundamentalism is the rootcause for most of the bombings and shootings that shook India!
Yeah, in your hallucinatory world, they were actually carried out by RAW with the help of CIA under RSS guidance!
But Mr. Hallucinator, in the real world, even today there are Indian Muslims who are joining ISIS, while some are busy with online propagation and recruiting!
You’re using ghastly incidents carried out by thugs to portray the country as if its unfit to live in India while state sanctioned barbarism with religious banner does not find a place in your book?!
A. I’ve already placed for your exclusive attention, the case of 350 lashing of a 74 year old Briton in Saudi Arabia! https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10606
B. Aasiya Bibi, a Pakistian Christian and a mother of five children is languishing in jail for blasphemy.
C.Nadiya Mohammed Ali and her seven children jailed for 15 years in Egypt for converting to Christainity
D. Gangrape victims being awarded 200 lashes and six months jailterm in Saudi Arabia
E. Stoning to death and chopping of limbs in Saudi, Yemen, Afghanistan…
The list is infinite!
/”Point out anything which i said is wrong from above comment if you have the knowledge to do so.”/
For someone who has buried his conscience, nothing would seem wrong, indeed! -Momeen
mac says: October 24, 2015 at 7:53 am
Your entire above comment was only personal bashing and spread of ignorance, nothing else, you have stated no facts, just ignorant ranting.
Let me break you lies/stupidity/myths one by one:-
///You’ve not answered on three topics: Muslim countries which provide citizenship to nonMuslims, children rights and labour rights; so you know where you stand!////
-well i thought you are knowledgeable, but apparently you are not, you don`t have to go far to see which muslim country gives equal rights to non-muslim, just see bangladesh, which is full of Muslims, still it ranks 98 in peace while india 144. hummm!!!! Now, you will bring more ignorant information on bangladesh specifically, but i have facts to show you about bangladesh, we all know how bad bangladesh is, but i will compare it with india, and you will fond bangladesh coming out as a saint.
////”Does it matter whether they launched Moon mission or not”/
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Mac,
How are you?
Its eight years since our war on ideology.
Ex Muslim channels are now exploding in Youtube. Would like to know your views on the Ex Muslim movement of India and Pakistan.
It’s just repulsive as how Muslims can be so indifferent when the nations which have adopted them as their own are struck by terrorists by quoting religious texts; the least Muslims could do is to show solidarity by strongly condemning the barbarism!
Before having a look at how French and Turkish Muslims have reacted to the crisis, part of the conversation from the blog:
https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10165
Mac says:
/“and you lied, all muslim religious scholar condemned any form of terrorist act, but you liar will never bother to look at those side of the coin as you are anti-muslim, and anti-islam”/
Momeen replied:
“Now let us see how Muslims condemn the atrocities: hundreds of temples have been razed to rubble in Pakistan, Bamiyan Buddha was desecrated in Afghanistan, churches have been bombed in Islamic nations‐ what has been the response from the Muslim world? Did Muslims show any revolt?
And then came the cartoon issue‐ Muslims ensured that the world burned! For the barbarism unleashed on other religious shrines, there was not even a murmur but when a cartoon appeared criticizing their faith‐ that ended up with extreme violence and massacre.
If the Muslims had protested vehemently when other shrines were ruined, educated the masses that respect of other religions should be the basis of faith‐ then the world would not have witnessed the Syrian catastrophe.
Muslims have always fought only on religious lines and never on moral grounds.
What you’re mentioning is the occasional fatwas issued when bombings happen; is writing a 100 words condemnation enough for the savagery being carried out by the terrorists in the name of Islam?
Galvanize the people, embark on an enlightening journey of on par treatment of all human beings, display solid opposition to the violence and enforce that all faiths deserve equal respect; that’s the only way that could bring minimal level of trust on the community; till then it will only be assumed that most of the Muslims endorse the terrorists’ logic, even if they don’t actively participate.
Direct your anger to the people who tarnish the faith holding the Book in their hands, that’s the only constructive way to build the reputation of the faith.”
Now, the latest live example of how Muslims conduct themselves in spite of deadly attacks in peaceful nations:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/france-only-30-muslims-show-up-for-rally-against-paris-jihad-attacks
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/muslim-soccer-fans-boo-scream-allahu-akbar-during-moment-of-silence-for-paris-jihad-victims
Let’s analyse mac’s expert opinions on reservation:
/“btw which does india provides equal constitutional rights, no , not at all, infact it discriminates most, if you are a hindu you will get reservation, moment you become muslim or christian, you lose your reservation status, inversely saying you will get reservation only if you are a hindu,”/
He was replied:
Proselytizing has always been an one way traffic for Muslims; its their birthright to convert in both Islamic and nonIslamic countries! But can any Christian or Hindu proselytize in Muslim countries? And in India, you propagate from North to South and West to East, convert and in addition to that you need reservation!
Only someone who is outrageously cunning, opportunistic and selfish could even place such a demand!
You lure the lambs showing the ‘Equality’ card and after taking them away from their faith by poisoning their brains about polytheism, casteism and discrimination/ you have the nerve to demand reservation! Only a venomous individual can think like that!
Now his malicious mind has placed another argument:
/“dalit if he changes his religion to islam or christianity, he looses the benefit of reservation no matter how poor he is, but if he convert to buddhism/sikhism/¬jainism then his reservation right is intact, how come that constitution is secular,”/
So, you’re puzzled as why when dalits convert to Buddism/ Sikhism/ Jainism, they’re still entitled for reservation?
Well, if you wear your Islamic goggles and see, then you would only end up wondering, because you’ve been groomed by your cult that if you’re a Sunni, you shd hate and crush Shia and Bohra and if you’re a Shia, then hate and crush Sunni and Bohra!
But when Hinduism has been broadminded enough to accept even foreign faiths as its own, can’t it beautifully intertwine with its own branches?
All the three faiths you mentioned originated in India and hence the stand is valid!
You’ve always placed unending demands on the inclusive state shamelessly while turning a blind eye or even supporting the parasitical cult headquarters‐ Saudi Arabia; have you ever placed any demand on your cult nations as why they shdn’t be inclusive?
But you’re always prepared to extract unendingly from the inclusive states.
Bloodsucking Parasite!
wasteless comments !!! why u r wasting time by commenting like this things…
sorry !!! useless comments
Mohammed,
Are you kidding? This is the most exciting debate in long time. I hope mac don’t chicken out!
Mac, we happen to meet someone from Afghanistan and very familiar with migrant story. We know you said Saudi is doing a big favor, equivalent to Germany. When I told this to that guy, he laughed. He simply explained that those who goes to Germany will have very hard time settling there but after 20 years they (or their children) will have better life. Compared to that, after 5 years, Saudi will renew their visa and may decide to kick them out. Bottomline, only those who don’t have brain will migrate to Saudi. In general, he had very harsh words for what Saudi did (or now doing) for Afghans while all praises for Germany and Europe. We know you won’t agree with your Islamic irrational logics.
ha ha ha 😀 do you think am i kidding. . why u are telling lie. . .
Is there any logic which momeens talk… i didnt see any logic in that. . .
btw, why u are always favouring like these persons who talks illogical. .
Sorry admin.. Islam is based on Quran not any country. . you always barks like a dog . .
Momeen,
We are impressed by your logics, depth of knowledge, intellect and control over language. Sorry we are not doing justice to your writing here, but you should plan to write a book based on all what you wrote. Consider this seriously!
mac is also a good writer except he is brainwashed by Muhammad’s ideologies.
are you mad, seriously…
Momeen got a depth of knowledge !! wow admin.. give me a break. .
why you guys going far away from india. .
Take the india. . how many injustice are there in the india. . first solve those injustice after then go out of india..
There are more countries like america,africa, england, japan how many injustice things are there . . why you guys wonts discuss like this. .
Admin,
Glad to hear your heartiest compliments! Thank you!
Book‐ that’s a constructive suggestion and I shall think about it!
And regarding the forum, it’s both comfortable and cathartic‐ to place the views and of course, it serves as a mine of information for research on cult!
Momeen,
We may not talk to writing book to any one and all, but you are certainly cut out for it. You have a clear vision (right or wrong!) and you have clear desire to express yourself.
Book may sound daunting but think as building a house one brick at a time. Start by saving all your writings on this web site (let us know if you need help) in a word document and built on it little every day. In next 5 years, you will have something concrete on hands to shape a book. Best wishes!
ALLAH permits the raping of female slaves. As already shown in Islam – rape is not just a sexual weapon – it is a weapon of war. Having murdered the woman’s man, Muslims can now – sanctioned by ETERNAL LAWS OF ALLAH complete their final humiliation and domination of her body.
Unlimited sex and money were powerful motivations for Muslims to grab their swords, climb on their horses and ride off into the sunset to bring war, death and destruction to the infidels.
India paid an horrific price. The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilization that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.
Buddhism was devastated.
Persia’s civilization disappeared from history.
The holocaust of slavery was imposed on large parts of black Africa. Slavery has been an integral part of Islam since its creation by Muhammad. Islam institutionalized slavery and made its existence legal and an ETERNAL LAW of ALLAH (read articles relating to slavery further in this Website). Islam was a major player in the black African slave trade – an historical fact not well known today. Also not taught is the fact that 1.5 million Europeans were taken as slaves by Muslims.
The fact that throughout Islam’s history, this slaughter of the innocents in the worst ways imaginable, murdered in the name of and to the greater glory of God is an obscenity. The so called men of ALLAH responsible for this carnage who have – through the millenniums – for Power, Domination, and Control of society unleashed this evil deserve to be in Hell.
To take man’s natural Concept of God, a conception of Peace and Love and Goodness – an all Wise, all merciful, all Loving God for all mankind, and turn God – by bastardizing his teachings into a murderous ALLAH (the ANTI GOD) of hate, terror, intolerance, death and destruction is one of the greatest sins that can be committed against God. Islam will remain forever a black historical stain smearing all human history
Dear Momeen,
Very good texts are posted by you. Mac like person will never give due thought to the cause of humanity, since he is a mutta product, as mentioned on several texts on this site and he always siding with the evil practices of islam. No doubt he has mentality of islamic terrorists who are posing threat to the mankind.
Thanks for your appreciation, Riya!
Please note that we’ve to keep this only as an intellectual debate without lashing any derogatory remarks on the opponent; Mr. Mac believes in an ideology which is unfit to follow if he wants to hang on to every word; we’ve every right to oppose the inhuman verses but definitely we can never pass remarks that would humiliate his mother/ father.
He must be hailing certainly from an honourable family but of course, with a difficult ideology! That’s it!!
Riya,
We agree to Momeen to keep it only intellectual debate and not (out of frustration) personal bashing without any basis. You and your associates have made several comments that mac is a mutta product, it is wrong to make such statement unless you show us proof. It is matter of your credibility, thus please never mention mac as a mutta product. As far we know, mac comes from a heathy 1-1 marriage.
Now, coming to the charges he has placed:
1. Personal bashing: I’ve called him a ‘perverted sadist’ and I stand by it! For me, anyone who calls an innocent child such names is a ‘Perverted sadist’ and I stand by it! The ‘b*******’ are those scoundrels who uproot the innocence of children to satisfy their demonic lust; either be your Holy Book or dictionary, it’s your habit to hang on to each word literally and observe it however crude the commandment/ meaning may be, but I always go by the spirit and ethicality and never by the letter, for any book under the sun!
2. Why only Bangladesh? With your Islamic goggles even ISIS would come out a saint for you when you compare it with India!
3. You’ve given only two problem that India faces, I’ll list the other crippling problems:
(i) Trafficking of women and children/ India has one of the worst convicting rates, mafias operate freely and in spite of international coverage what’s the action by Indian government? I’ll just give the tip of the iceberg:
A. Children of CNN – Feb 19, 2007 / Land of missing children.
B. BBC BBC – May 22, 2008/ Indian town’s sex abuse claims, by Rachel Wright
C. Frontline – May 21- Jun 3, 2005/ The Adoption Market
D. CNN Sep 29, 2011 – Researching the cruel world of sex trafficking in South Asia
E. CNN-IBN/ 15 Dec 2011/ Blore: Begging racket busted, 300 kids rescued
What’s happening to these victims is in no way lesser than the sexual terrorism that’s unleashed by ISIS on their victims
(ii) Sand, water, fuel and mining mafia, handin glove with the politicians is sucking national resources
(iii) Farmer’s suicide throughtout various states in alarming proportions
(iv) Dynastic politics from Kashmir to Kerala questioning the very basis of Indian democracy
(v) Islamic fundamentalism, Naxalism, rise of Hindu fundamentalism.
(vi) Vyapam/ Asaram/ Lalit Modi‐ Ms. Swaraj, Ms. Raje/Mohsin Sadiq Shaikh of Pune, Dadri incident…. BJP has proved‐ Cong and BJP are two sides of the same coin.
Most of these problems are easily solvable if only political will is there, but what to do/ Just as there are religious fanatics who think clinging on to every word of the Book is the strict path to Heaven, there are politicians who imagine that hoarding of thousands of crores is their ultimate heaven‐ God shall only decide on the atrocities of both the categories!
Even if 20% is allocated for those causes, not even 0.2 will reach the deserving! That’s the curse on India! Just as the fanatical class would never come out of its delusional heaven, the political class would never come out of its infinite greed!
India holds today high respect among world nations because of its brain; while comparing the developed nations, India is spending only reasonable level of funds for scientific research! With minimal resources our scientists are excelling, halting even this would make India lose the intellectual stature it has so diligently built!
4. On rich Arab nations: So, you’ll show the example of rich nations, BTW, all their riches is only from petrol and not from intellectual contribution; the Rulers recklessly throw their wealth and even the citizens are highly paid; poverty is still existent in those countries though on a lesser scale! Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Niger… with the Ummah brothers screaming about unity and you, sitting here howling for Muslim nations and squeezing India under your boot, with this much of unification because of a common faith, providing food for your starving population is any big deal?! With trillions of petrodollars and no intellectual involvement, even moral responsibility shd be renounced?! For you only the rich, white Arabs are Muslims, the black African Muslims are not even human beings?
And coming to the women of even these rich economies, if the educational achievement is by any scale true, that’s a happy news! But how much they are encouraged to gain self respect is the crucial question? UAE is leading in providing women the space that they desperately deserve; in spite of Shariah law, UAE has permitted women to take major roles: pilots, business heads, high official posts, sports… while Saudi is still stuck in the medieval era, suffocating its population!
And the compassion overflowing individual has said:
/“ and i will argue that it`s better be getting married than getting pregnant at age 8-9 which happens in those western countries, atleast she will find a legal man to take care of her child……. you think a school going girl will want to become pregnant, just Google top ten teenage pregnancy or abortion countries, why teenage pregnancies is so high in those countries, do you think a school going girl will like yo get aborted? Do you know how painful process is abortion?”/
Forget about abortion! Even consensual sex with underage child would land the adult male or female with rape charge unlike Islamic nations where rape of the child is encouraged and promoted with religious banner!
And you’re lecturing me about pain of abortion!
Why, you don’t know the physical, psychological and emotional torture a little girl of 8, 9 or 10 undergoes after being shut inside the room with a devil?!
Paedophile scoundrels are present all over the world, but the problem is only in Islamic nations they get legal protection!
Why Muslims should not come out of this barbarism?
continuation of my previous reply
///To the specific question of, how many Islamic countries have accepted refugees of other faiths, the reply was:
‘There are many’, but no name was specified in the first part! Now in the second part, suddenly a name has propped up, Palestine!
Please give the entire details as how many refugees landed, the year… and the links! And the hallucinator continues, “any country in the world”, please mention the other Islamic countries which have absorbed nonMuslim refugees!///
First and foremost, not a single islamic nation launched war on non-muslim nations, so Muslims donot make non-Muslims refugee by landing bombs on them, Europeans created the problems of Jews and middle eastern countries faced it, you don`t know a single islamic nation which gave refugees, hello mr idiot, entire Israel is an example the nation which was muslim majority pre 1940 turned into muslim minority, now only 14-15% people in Israel are muslim while during 40`s it was 70%.
Listen from a jews rabbi, the chief rabbi of jews from neywork https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osJbnbKGOpg
//What do you think of everyone? You are the only intellectual and all others are fools? Your write on terrorism index in India as if Islamic fundamentalism has no role in it! Islamic fundamentalism is the rootcause for most of the bombings and shootings that shook India!/// If you consider 26/11 as islamic fundamentalism, then Indian army doing violence in Kashmir can be regarded as hindu fundamentalism, if you don`t understand, i will explain you how, provided you know basic things about Kashmir conflict. And do you think only bombings kill people, do you think only bombings are regarded as terrorism? which islamic fundamentalism is responsible for any big violence that took place in india last year and this year(2014-1015), which islamic fundamentalism was responsible for any big attacks in 2013,2012,2011,2010 and so on….
///You’re using ghastly incidents carried out by thugs to portray the country as if its unfit to live in India while state sanctioned barbarism with religious banner does not find a place in your book?!
A. I’ve already placed for your exclusive attention, the case of 350 lashing of a 74 year old Briton in Saudi Arabia! https://www.interfaithshaadi.org/?p=10606
B. Aasiya Bibi, a Pakistian Christian and a mother of five children is languishing in jail for blasphemy.
C.Nadiya Mohammed Ali and her seven children jailed for 15 years in Egypt for converting to Christainity
D. Gangrape victims being awarded 200 lashes and six months jailterm in Saudi Arabia
E. Stoning to death and chopping of limbs in Saudi, Yemen, Afghanistan…
The list is infinite!///
So here you are talking about state sanctioned barbarism, okay, then what about those who get jail for 10 years if they caught eating beef, in india if you slaughter a cow you get 10 years jail, this is worse than saudi lashing Briton 350 lashes, and saudi doesn`t claim itself to be secular country, but india does.
The gangrape victim in saudi arabia was not punished for being gang raped, but for breaking saudi rules of gender mixing, you like always fabricate things to make your case, but do i support what saudis did, no, i don`t, and i am not a saudi citizen, i myself criticize bad things of saudi as well as india and about anybody, but when i criticize india, some people`s butt get seriously hurt like you,jainab as you think india is perfect heaven and Muslims are always wrong, while i never made a case that Muslims are always right and non-Muslims are always wrong, and that is the truth, but for haters like you, only Muslims are wring and you guys are right, and when you can`t defend your such hatred towards muslim community, you start bashing me, since you can debunk to what i say, so you guys only make assumption after assumption about me.
Above few mentioned few incident from some muslim countries, but you don`t have to go far, in india, Muslims are even jailed for 10 years for no reason at all, you think i am crazy talking bullshit, you may things so, but i have proof to show you if needed
In response to Mr. Mac:
With the cache of material available from the posts, I can present a paper on ‘Cult Enslavement: A study on the controlling and crippling effects on every characteristic and phase of the individual’s life’.
If a person could speak on terrorism index in India without even touching on Islamic fundamentalism’s role then his level of hallucination is anyone’s guess! For such a population terrorism in India is because of rogue mob attacks orchestrated by RAW under RSS guidance and terrorism in the Middle East and West is carried out by CIA and MOSSAD while Islam preaches only peace, peace and peace!!
This great humanitarian challenges me on Kashmir and that too only if I value human lives‐ the compassionate human being screams at the top of the voice because of unforgivable military excesses in Kashmir but the roaring tiger has never even once spoken about Kashmiri Pandits or the atrocities on minorities in Islamic nations!
His integrity needs to be saluted‐ he can speak on Indian terrorism index without even mentioning Islamic fundamentalism and human lives are valuable for him, only if the humans follow his cult; in case, if the agonized victims are followers of other faiths and even if their lives are soaked in blood because of his people, the roaring tiger becomes a domesticated cat and runs fast and hides himself inside the bunker ! Always the double‐faced man with two sets of rules! Honest Man Of The Decade!
What’s the hell can you counter me on Kashmir?! This is the land which accepted everyone with open arms, unlike your cunning and opportunistic people, who chase out every differing individual! After invading the nation and converting, and after losing our land and people to your poisonous cult, we have to do further sacrifices?! If only our predecessors had been shrewd enough like your cunning population…
Any day I’m ready for the challenge! When the cult which is known to be a cut‐throat occupier and encroacher is challenging the Indian soil, can’t I speak for the magnanimous nation whose heart, mind and soul has always been only of embracing character!
Present your stat and I want to prove again how the humanitarian’s mind always has two sets of rules!!
Since all his posts work as an exceptional Cult Assessment Tool, just a short piece I would present on how a cult‐enslaved mind operates:
1. In any cult, the prime‐most component to be slaughtered is critical thinking; a faith always demands the follower to be magnanimous while a cult’s first command is parochialism; a faith asks you to question while a cult insists on unquestioning submission; a faith embraces the entire human race as one while a cult segregates, hates and tries to crush/ annihilate every differing belief‐system.
2. Have a look at the brazen response: / “many muslim countries feel islam is true religion and thus they don`t need other religion”/
A cult‐enslaved mind can never accept that faith cannot be imposed by the state and that there are Muslims in Islamic countries who would like to quit the system‐ trampling of apostates’ rights leads the followers to heaven, that’s how they’re tutored and they would adhere to it in letter and spirit!
A cult‐enslaved mind justifies the condemnable bigoted thinking of his people and could never perceive the nobility of those people who accept every differing faith with open arms!
3. Every immorality is rationalized: polygamy, paedophilia, sex slavery, a rape victim shd produce four male witnesses to prove the charge, a woman’s testimony is only half‐valued that of a male, jizya, dawah, blasphemy and apostasy laws, chopping of limbs, stoning to death…
4. A cult‐enslaved mind can always spot the depravity of other faith followers but can never accept their own: a Muslim cult‐enslaved screams while rogue mobs fatally attack someone on charges of beef‐eating while keeps mum on the savagery of state‐sanctioned religious barbarism of a 74 yr old with 350 lashes for preparation of alcohol and a Hindu cult‐ensalved does the vice‐versa!
5. Parasitical nature is deluded as path to paradise‐ uproot of Zoroastrianism and Bahaism’s in Iran, Sunnis and Shias crushing each other, squeezing of women’s rights being hailed as ‘protection’ and ‘path to heaven’, posing debilitating demands on an inclusive state while not uttering a word on their people who do not offer an inch for other faith followers…… …all these measures would land them in Paradise!
6. Mammoth achievements of people belonging to other faith systems are scorned at and their failures are magnified while even minute successes of their own people are hailed and massive failures are rationalized or blamed on the other faith believers.
7. Expect others to respect their belief‐system while brazenly deny regard for other faiths, hence in Islamic nations blasphemy is always disrespect towards Islam while even horrific contempt of other faiths is treated as a birthright.
8. Every sane voice within the system is muzzled with crude force by the leadership and the followers support the beastly act directly or strengthen the barbarism by their silence; anyone who questions, raises doubts or disagrees is considered a deserter‐ how many Islamic organizations have ever raised voice for Human Rights Activists who are murdered or languishing in jails in Muslim nations …..
9. Unacceptable practices will be justified even if scientific evidence contradicts their stand overwhelmingly and the Book’s order is carried out with full spirit‐ consanguineous marriages, marriageable age of men and women, polygamy, fasting…
His charges will be replied in the next post!
Above comment of post proved that momeen is actually a fanatic hindu commenting in the name of muslim, this is exactly the way a fanatic hindu responses, jumping to Kashmir, as if i support violence on Kashmiri pandit.
Instead of replying to what i said, he is taking class on cult hahahahhahahahah 🙂 🙂 🙂
///If a person could speak on terrorism index in India without even touching on Islamic fundamentalism’s role then his level of hallucination is anyone’s guess! For such a population terrorism in India is because of rogue mob attacks orchestrated by RAW under RSS guidance and terrorism in the Middle East and West is carried out by CIA and MOSSAD while Islam preaches only peace, peace and peace!!///
let me remind you mr.ignorant, which islamic fundamentalism carried out biggest terrorist attack in india in last 5 years?
If you consider 26/11 as islamic fundamentalism, then Indian army doing violence in Kashmir can be regarded as hindu fundamentalism, if you don`t understand, i will explain you how, provided you know basic things about Kashmir conflict. And do you think only bombings kill people, do you think only bombings are regarded as terrorism? which islamic fundamentalism is responsible for any big violence that took place in india last year and this year(2014-1015), which islamic fundamentalism was responsible for any big attacks in 2013,2012,2011,2010 and so on….
//This great humanitarian challenges me on Kashmir and that too only if I value human lives‐ the compassionate human being screams at the top of the voice because of unforgivable military excesses in Kashmir but the roaring tiger has never even once spoken about Kashmiri Pandits or the atrocities on minorities in Islamic nations!///
what happened with kashmiri pandit is condemnable, islam doesn`t teach that, those muslim who did violence on Kashmiri pundit are themselves responsible not islam as our beloved prophet pbuh had said
““He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement.” (Bukhari)
“Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him.” (Al-Mawardi)
IF YOU WANT TO STAY AS AN ATHEIST , THAT IS FINE WITH ISLAM FOR THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN ISLAMIC LAW
“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)
///What’s the hell can you counter me on Kashmir?! This is the land which accepted everyone with open arms, unlike your cunning and opportunistic people, who chase out every differing individual! After invading the nation and converting, and after losing our land and people to your poisonous cult, we have to do further sacrifices?! If only our predecessors had been shrewd enough like your cunning population…///
Let me educate you mr.illiterate, the nation that you are talking about only came into existence in 1947 and the idea of nationalism is only 200-300 years old, there used to be different kingdom. Hope it gives answer whether you lost land in kashmir or not.
//3. Every immorality is rationalized: polygamy, paedophilia, sex slavery, a rape victim shd produce four male witnesses to prove the charge, a woman’s testimony is only half‐valued that of a male, jizya, dawah, blasphemy and apostasy laws, chopping of limbs, stoning to death…///
hello hello, you are making things up, you are such a liar as i said earlier, to make you case you cook lies everyday. lets break you lies one by one:-
so according to you taking care of two women at a time(polygamy) is bad but giving a little money to women in exchange of sex(prostitution) is alright as you defended it in your previous comment, same goes with adultery, i can have sexual relation with as many women as i can under these secular laws but moment i decide to take care of two women legally, whole world breaks down, the idea of banning polygamy came from Europe where there was practice of unlimited polygamy and no restriction,nothing, if you want you can take as many wives as possible, but islamic polygamy is not like this, that is why even today in india muslim men are least polygamous despite being legal for them.
What pedophillia, there is no pedophillia in islam, don`t cook lies.
Sex slavery- another lie, no such thing in islam.
a rape victim shd produce four male witnesses to prove the charge— another lie, no such thing in islam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juBkiCeklnA
a woman’s testimony is only half‐valued that of a male- another lie, no such thing in islam.
jizya- what`s wrong in jizya, you can pay thousands of dollars in tax to secular state but refuse to give tiny tiny amount if your income to islamic state which take care of all your need, muslims pay to the state by zakat, since non-muslim don`t have to pay zakat, so rich non-muslims have to pay jizya.
dawah- what`s wrong in dawah?
you talk about blasphemy laws, what about your country number perfect country india, what happens when someone insults hindu gods? in india there is no punishment for apostasy, but they cut all your reservation facilities which i explained in my earlier comment.
chopping off limbs of thief if proven not innocent human beings, you shout against cutting off limbs as if you getting 10 years jail for cow stealing is a good thing and stoning to death are for rapist not for innocent human beings.
1. Regarding terrorism index 2014, I’ve gone through it; I agree and I’m extremely happy that Islamic fundamentalism does not have much role in it!
That’s really great news but I would also like you to know that Hindu fundamentalism also did not find a foothold in the index; Maoism is the biggest factor that has contributed for 2014 terror attacks in India
2. Now, you’re condemning the issue of Kashmiri Pandits and I’m happy that you’ve chosen the right path; you’ve been active on this site much longer than me; as far as I could see, I can’t see a single post from you condemning the barbarism; if you’ve done so, please give me the link
3. /“Let me educate you mr.illiterate, the nation that you are talking about only came into existence in 1947 and the idea of nationalism is only 200-300 years old, there used to be different kingdom. Hope it gives answer whether you lost land in kashmir or not.”/
Since I’m illiterate, please make it clearer for me! In my earlier post, I’ve stated, “After invading the nation and converting, and after losing our land and people to your poisonous cult, we have to do further sacrifices?! If only our predecessors had been shrewd enough like your cunning population….”/
No doubt entire subcontinent was divided into kingdoms BUT all were Hindu Kingdoms till Muslim invasion; People were converted by force, jizya, dawah and a percentage might have opted for voluntary conversion; Pakistan was created only on the basis of the occupier’s faith!
Kashmir had the same fate; Muslims invaded the peaceful land, converted and the land is now soaked in blood!
/“Hope it gives answer whether you lost land in kashmir or not/
What answer does it give? It just exposes your cunning and opportunistic character!
4. You’ve attempted to answer the Cult Assessment Tool and I’ve answered that in the previous post.
5. You’ve asked /“what’s wrong in dawah?”/
Nothing is wrong in dawah, as long as you provide others to proselytize their faith in your land! Why are you people afraid of that? Why shdn’t an adult be given the freedom to follow the faith of his choice? Why shd the state push down the faith into one’s throat?
6. The verses you’ve quoted are highly suitable and commendable! But the problem is most of the Muslims including you cling on to every word of the Book, some of the verses which are absolutely unfit for a peaceful, ethical and modern society!
Such verses need to be flushed out to make Islam, a real religion of peace!
For that to happen, Muslims need extremely courageous and upright leaders!
And those leaders, if at all there, should survive the bloodthirsty hawks, one wonderful example I could remember is Salman Taseer, Pakistan!
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims’
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
They’re not happy in Nigeria
They’re not happy in Kenya
They’re not happy in Sudan
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in England
They’re happy in Belgium
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Sweden
They’re happy in the USA & Canada
They’re happy in India
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves… THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered
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Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!
Think about it…….. frown emoticon 20 signs that psychopath Muslims do:
1] Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).
2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don’t want to. (Koran.2;216).
6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
😎 We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/
Religion of Peace!!!
I am, of course, aware that Muslims are different, and not all Muslims follow the Quran’s violent and perverted message and their prophet’s equally embarrassing example. But as with all other religions, Islam also influences its followers and the culture they live in.
One could talk about two groups of psychological mechanisms, that both singly and combined increase violent behaviour. One group is mainly connected with religion, which aims at indoctrinating Islamic values in children as early as possible and with whatever means necessary, including violence and intimidation. One can understand a Muslim parent’s concern about his offspring’s religious choices, because the sharia orders the death penalty for their children, should they pick another religion than their parents. The other group of mechanisms are more cultural and psychological. These cultural psychological mechanisms are a natural consequence of being influenced by a religion like Islam and stemming from a 1,400 year old tribal society with very limited freedom to develop beyond what the religion allows.
Classical brainwashing methods in the upbringing
Brainwashing people into believing or doing things against their own human nature — such as hating or even killing innocents they do not even know — is traditionally done by combining two things: pain and repetition. The conscious infliction of psychological and physical suffering breaks down the person’s resistance to the constantly repeated message.
Totalitarian regimes use this method to reform political dissidents. Armies in less civilized countries use it to create ruthless soldiers, and religious sects all over the world use it to fanaticize their followers.
During numerous sessions with more than a hundred Muslim clients, I found that violence and repetition of religious messages are prevalent in Muslim families.
Muslim culture simply does not have the same degree of understanding of human development as in civilized societies, and physical pain and threats are therefore often the preferred tool to raise children. This is why so many Muslim girls grow up to accept violence in their marriage, and why Muslim boys grow up to learn that violence is acceptable. And it is the main reason why nine out of ten children removed from their parents by authorities in Copenhagen are from immigrant families. The Muslim tradition of using pain and intimidation as part of disciplining children are also widely used in Muslim schools — also in the West.
Combined with countless repetitions of Quranic verses in Islamic schools and families, all this makes it very difficult for children to defend themselves against being indoctrinated to follow the Quran, even if it is against secular laws, logic, and the most basic understanding of compassion.
And as we know from so many psychological studies, whatever a child is strongly influenced by at that age takes an enormous personal effort to change later in life. It is no wonder that Muslims in general, in spite of Islam’s inhumane nature and obvious inability to equip its followers with humor, compassion and other attractive qualities, are stronger in their faith than any other religious group.
Four enabling psychological factors
Not only does a traditional Islamic upbringing resemble classical brainwashing methods, but also, the culture it generates cultivates four psychological characteristics that further enable and increase violent behaviour.
These four mental factors are anger, self-confidence, responsibility for oneself and intolerance.
When it comes to anger, Western societies widely agree that it is a sign of weakness. Uncontrolled explosions of this unpleasant feeling are maybe the fastest way of losing face, especially in Northern countries, and though angry people may be feared, they are never respected. In Muslim culture, anger is much more accepted, and being able to intimidate people is seen as strength and source of social status. We even see ethnic Muslim groups or countries proudly declare whole days of anger, and use expressions such as “holy anger” — a term that seems contradictory in peaceful cultures.
In Western societies, the ability to handle criticism constructively if it is justified, and with a shrug if it is misguided, is seen as an expression of self-confidence and authenticity. As everyone has noticed, this is not the case among Muslims. Here criticism, no matter how true, is seen as an attack on one’s honor, and it is expected that the honor is restored by using whatever means necessary to silence the opponent. Muslims almost never attempt to counter criticism with logical arguments; instead, they try to silence the criticism by pretending to be offended or by name-calling, or by threatening or even killing the messenger.
The third psychological factor concerns responsibility for oneself, and here the psychological phenomenon “locus of control” plays a major role. People raised by Western standards generally have an inner locus of control, meaning that they experience their lives as governed by inner factors, such as one’s own choices, world view, ways of handling emotions and situations, etc. Muslims are raised to experience their lives as being controlled from the outside. Everything happens “insha’ Allah” — if Allah wills — and the many religious laws, traditions and powerful male authorities leave little room for individual responsibility. This is the cause for the embarrassing and world-famous Muslim victim mentality, where everybody else is blamed and to be punished for the Muslims’ own self-created situation.
Finally, the fourth psychological factor making Muslims vulnerable to the violent message in the Quran concerns tolerance. While Western societies in general define a good person as being open and tolerant, Muslims are told that they are superior to non-Muslims, destined to dominate non-Muslims, and that they must distance themselves socially and emotionally from non-Muslims. The many hateful and dehumanising verses in the Quran and the Hadiths against non-Muslims closely resemble the psychological propaganda that leaders use against their own people in order to prepare them mentally for fighting and killing the enemy. Killing another person is easier if you hate him and do not perceive him as fully human.
Why Islam creates monsters
The cultural and psychological cocktail of anger, low self-esteem, victim mentality, a willingness to be blindly guided by outer authorities, and an aggressive and discriminatory view toward non-Muslims, forced upon Muslims through pain, intimidation and mind-numbing repetitions of the Quran’s almost countless verses promoting hate and violence against non-Muslims, is the reason why Islam creates monsters.
The psychological problem within Islam
The problem with Islam and Muslim culture is that there are so many psychological factors pushing its followers towards a violent attitude against non-Muslims that a general violent clash is — at least from a psychological perspective — inevitable. With such strong pressure and such strong emotions within such a large group of people — all pitched against us — we are facing the perfect storm, and I see no possibilities of turning it around. For people to change, they have to want it, to be allowed to change, and to be able to change — and only a tiny minority of Muslims have such lucky conditions.
Far too many people underestimate the power of psychology embedded in religion and culture. As we have already seen, no army of social workers, generous welfare states, sweet-talking politicians, politically correct journalists or democracy-promoting soldiers can stop these enormous forces. Sensible laws on immigration and Islamisation in our own countries can limit the amount of suffering, but based on my education and professional experience as a psychologist for Muslims, I estimate that we will not be able to deflect or avoid this many-sided, aggressive movement against our culture.
I do believe that we, as a democratic and educated society can become focused and organised concerning the preservation of our values and constitutions, can win this ongoing conflict started by the often inbred followers of sharia. The big question is how much of our dignity, our civil rights, and our blood, money and tears will we lose in the process.
India’s public health spending is about 1 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP)
The world’s most revered medical journal – “The Lancet” has lambasted prime minister Narendra Modi for ignoring India’s health sector and has warned that India is on the verge of a collapse under the weight of its own ill health.
Lancet’s editor-in-chief Richard Horton said
“Maternal and child care are indicators of civilized society. Civilized society should not be letting its mothers and daughters die. India wants to play a larger role in the world, wants to be in the security council of the United Nations, which are very legitimate objectives for India. I don’t think it can claim to be a world leader when it allows so many of its children and mothers to die of abject poverty”.
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Secularism in india is a joke itself. Muslim candidate gets ticket from muslim majority area, hindu candidate gets ticket from hindu majority area. This is the case with secular parties like congress,jdu,aap,etc, leave bjp aside, if indians are secular why muslim candidate donot get ticket from hindu majority area and vice versa. You will say that’s fault of people not the constitution, and agree with it, and that is where we beat gulf countries, who are constitutionally nonsecular and we are constitutionally secular, thanks to Indira Gandhi’s emergency period when she put secular in Indian constitution. Now is this secular constitution CATEGORICALLY secular, ABSOLUTELY not, to realize that, you have to hear the voice of dalit muslim/christian whose voice always ignored by indian brahminwadi mainstream media, dalit if he changes his religion to islam or christianity, he looses the benefit of reservation no matter how poor he is, but if he convert to buddhism/sikhism/jainism then his reservation right is intact, how come that constitution is secular, ‘reservation’ is not a 11 letter word, but it is much more than that, it covers your chance of getting admission in college to job,promotion,etc. This constitution gave reservation to people who are socially,economically backward, fine, but then it defines who are socially,economically backward on religious ground, is it really a secular?
And then there is ban on beef except two state Kerala and west bengal and the 6 northeastern states. How come it is different from feudal saudi arabia who lashes you or puts you behind bar if you carry alcohol or eat pork, i don’t know whether if the put you in jail for 10 years or not, but you know in india, beef eating has harsher punishment than raping women, if you slaughter a cow for beef, you get 10 years of jail and if you rape women, 7 years of jail. Clearly life of cow bothers people more as it is religious issue and thus laws are according to it, then is india a categorically secular country?
And very tactically you hide you writings just like you did in Jainab`s post
mac and Momeen, this is a great debate. Someday one should write a book out of it.
It is beyond out comprehension mac is saying all non-Muslims will get to Hell. Read more here. We hope one day mac will get enlightened to change his views.