Arjun says: July 19, 2018 at 1:57 pm
Hello dear readers ! I would like to share my story of a Hindu Brahmin boy in a realtionship with a Paksitani in the UK.
We met at college in the Uk, it was common for students from Indian subcontinet to hang out together. We were just friends at first, I had liked her but she didn’t take it seriously initially, later on we would talk for hours and fell in love.
A little background on us, I am a Hindu having Brahmin ancestry and she was a Kashmiri ‘Butt’ muslim who was born and raised in Paksitani Punjab. We decided to inform our parents about our relationship, my parents were a little apprehensive initially but being the only son they accepted us and were cool with it. Her parents had sent her abroad only because her brother lived in our city, her brother was furious at our relationship and probably filled his parents ears with all kinds of rubbish about me.
Her parents asked me to convert to Islam,to which I refused, they never accepted us and her mom threatened to cut all ties with her daughter and even kill herself if she married a Hindu.She was attached to her parents a lot and she loved me too.Upon her moms melodrama she decided to go and meet her back in Pakistan to sort things out.
When she reached, she said her parents would never agree and her mom won’t let her go anywhere and had started to find grooms to marry her off quickly. She had decided to run off,but her mom again started her threats to kill herself and she being very attached to her mom couldn’t hurt her. Finally with a heavy heart we had to call it off. (I lack the words for the situation we went in the last phase,it was just full of sadness and trauma).
It has been 6 years since that, I never contacted her nor did she,but deep down the heart I still love her. -Arjun
Arjun says: July 20, 2018 at 12:22 pm
-She left for Pakistan to cool down her mom and with a hope that she could make her understand our relationship,even I was positive that with some persuasion she could achieve it,but I was absolutely wrong,it was the last time I saw her.
-I would have never ever converted to Islam, belonging to a partition family my grand parents left everything they had in today’s Pakistan just to save their religion, this had a huge impact on my decision. Even if I did convert (my parents would have been very angry then), it would have only been nominal and I would have reverted back to Hinduism after a few months, fearing her parents would easily come to know about it and would again resort to emotionally torture their daughter.
-Looking back, I was very broken initially, but got over it and took it as my destiny.
Thanks. -Arjun
Arjun says: July 20, 2018 at 11:36 pm
Hello Admin,
-She did identify as a Muslim, but she was quite liberal with her beliefs,we had discussed religion many times,upon asking her questions like’Will I got to hell fire if don’t convert to Islam?’ she said she didn’t subscribe to such beliefs.She took the beliefs that she liked from Islam,followed it and the beliefs(mostly conservative one’s) she discarded. I explained how she being a ‘butt’ Kashmiri, her ancestors would have been Hindu Brahmins like me at one point of time, she said she would study about Hinduism once she got back from Pakistan,but she never arrived.Also,I had never seen her wearing a Hijab at our time together in the UK.
-She never asked me to convert, it was her parents who had asked me to and I had made it very clear to her that I won’t be converting under any circumstances.
-No, my parents would have never allowed me to convert, I had requested that her parents talk to mine,but her parents refused to do so unless and until I converted to Islam. My parents were furious at hearing this and asked me forget about her.
Its not easy to forget about someone with whom you imagined your life with. Yeah,sure I moved on,but I still have that little something in my heart for her and hope she’s always doing good.
Keep on with your good work Admin ?
Thanks. -Arjun
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Thank God she left and not married a kafir guy anotherwise her life would have become a living hell. Salute to her mother as well as the girl who chose parents first rather than a kaafir.
Hi Admin,
What does GOKUSHAN mean?
Look bro.
The thing is if she was religious and her family is also religious then it was never meant to be cause in future the children will be worst sufferers of this cause it seems you both are uncompromising when comes to religion so it was never meant to be. Move on.
Islamist would say, “because in future the children will be worst sufferers”, Why? Not following Islam is “worst sufferers”? We would say children will have freedom to make their own choices. We are glad you did not fake-convert, this way, now you can give gift of Liberty and Freedom to your children and grand children. How beautiful!
For me admin Islam is an incorporated part and i would not want anyone other who do not share my views, her parents did the right thing for her , in young age people do stupid things and suffer later in life, that is why it is good when parents are incorporated cause they know much better.
We understand what Islam wants and what Muslim parents/majority want. Unfortunately today’s Muslim youths (including mac) don’t (did not) follow Islam. We know many many Muslim but do not know one who is performing namaz five times a day. Today Muslim youths ignore Koran 24:30 and fall in love with another youth(s). This results in pain and suffering to people like Arjun. So, what is the solution?
We recommend two solutions to this issue:
1) All countries (including non-Muslim countries) should make a law prohibiting Muslims to ignore 24:30 (meaning associating with another youths from any faith, including a Muslim). Any Muslim caught not following this should be flogged in public (just like this). Do you support this? Are all those 800 Muslim cases on this web site are “meeting” only? Are you saying Zakir Naik is wrong?
2) If an adult Muslim does not like to be identified as a Muslim, they should have liberty and freedom to denounce Islam without any punishment from Muslim society (meaning reject Bukhari 9.84.57). Islam should be a religion of choice, not imposed on those who don’t want. Is this not reasonable?
Your statement, “meeting a prospective groom or bride for marriage is not considered as sin” should be revisited by Mullas. As far we are concerned, you are not following the spirit why Muhammad said Koran 24:30. How do you define “meeting”? Did Arjun’s girl friend and what mac did was just “meeting”?
Look admin by making a law this type of behavior can not be controlled it will make worse , prohibition was never a solution rather taking a different route to be taken , like increasing awareness among youth what is permissible and what is not and acknowledging them doing a haram thing is not cool rather strive for the right path. And lastly it is their personal choice , in young age some people do deviate and for that they need sincere repentation
Prohibition works. In Islamic countries, someone talking against Islam or Muhammad is severely punished and with such fear, people refrain from talking against. Malaysian prohibition of Muslim marrying a non-Muslim works, all such people have to give us such idea or run away (and that is difficult). Flogging in Malaysia works, why not around the world? It is Allah’s wish to severely punish Muslim HARAMIs, why not implement? You do not agree to this punishment because you want young Muslims to associate with non-Muslim leading to conversion (love-jihad).
Those Muslim youths who do not like this punishment (#1) or don’t care for what Muhammad wanted them to do, they always have the #2 option above. This is fair to all parties.
Hi Arjun,
Sorry to hear breaking of your love relationship. It must be hard to bear such pain.
What did she thought going back to the Lion’s cage (Pakistan)? We are not surprised at all that she never returned back. Islam takes this very seriously and honor killing is accepted over Muslim girl marrying to a Brahmin.
Tell us why you declined converting to Islam? What went through your mind? Now thinking back, do you think it would have been better to convert then and settle with your love? We are curious. Do get back, thanks.
Hello Admin,
-She left for Pakistan to cool down her mom and with a hope that she could make her understand our relationship,even I was positive that with some persuasion she could achieve it,but I was absolutely wrong,it was the last time I saw her.
-I would have never ever converted to Islam,belonging to a partition family my grand parents left everything they had in today’s Pakistan just to save their religion, this had a huge impact on my decision.Even if I did convert(my parents would have been very angry then),it would have only been nominal and I would have reverted back to Hinduism after a few months,fearing her parents would easily come to know about it and would again resort to emotionally torture their daughter.
-Looking back,I was very broken initially,but got over it and took it as my destiny.
Thanks,
Was she a proud Muslim? She knew you are a Hindu, why she did not had problem with it? Did she ask you to consider converting? Did you discuss two faiths and compared? We are curious, let us know what was discussed between you two.
On “my parents were a little apprehensive initially but being the only son they accepted us and were cool with it”, where they okay if you convert?
On “Even if I did convert…, it would have only been nominal”, we are glad you did not fake-convert. It would have been most horrible mistake you would have make. View https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiWLGEKusIg and read https://interfaithshaadi.org/?p=13724#comment-418180. You should be proud today to be a free-man!
Hello Admin,
-She did identify as a Muslim, but she was quite liberal with her beliefs,we had discussed religion many times,upon asking her questions like’Will I got to hell fire if don’t convert to Islam?’ she said she didn’t subscribe to such beliefs.She took the beliefs that she liked from Islam,followed it and the beliefs(mostly conservative one’s) she discarded. I explained how she being a ‘butt’ Kashmiri, her ancestors would have been Hindu Brahmins like me at one point of time, she said she would study about Hinduism once she got back from Pakistan,but she never arrived.Also,I had never seen her wearing a Hijab at our time together in the UK.
-She never asked me to convert, it was her parents who had asked me to and I had made it very clear to her that I won’t be converting under any circumstances.
-No, my parents would have never allowed me to convert, I had requested that her parents talk to mine,but her parents refused to do so unless and until I converted to Islam. My parents were furious at hearing this and asked me forget about her.
Its not easy to forget about someone with whom you imagined your life with. Yeah,sure I moved on,but I still have that little something in my heart for her and hope she’s always doing good.
Keep on with your good work Admin 🙂
Thanks,
Arjun,
Bravo, one Brahmin is saved! It appears Muslims love to convert Brahmins; apparently Allah will give them special space in heaven for their great work. Read all other Brahmin-Muslim stories at https://interfaithshaadi.org/?cat=29.
If you fake-converted and married her, today you would be 100% Muslim and your parents would have been history for you. There is no way a Brahmin would survive in Pakistan with all those Muslim relatives. You would have certainly given hell to your parents in this life; who undid their act “a partition family my grand parents left everything they had in today’s Pakistan just to save their religion”.
We believe love should be true one, not this love-Jihad (convert or I am walking away). Unfortunately, for almost all Muslims, love is being used as a tool to expand Islam. We have some 800 such cases on this web site. We are here to educate innocent Arjuns. We have written all these in the book–Interfaith Marriage:Share and Respect with Equality. We have also given many talks to educate communities.
We are not against any faith but certainly against this practice of conversion for marriage (ideally it should be Share and Respect with Equality). We hope you will give us hands make this world a better place to live for all.